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To: fortheDeclaration; Ping-Pong; Thinkin' Gal
I ask you who are the Israelites if they are not the Jews.I finally got it out of Ping, that it was the 'Christian nations'. So, she admitted to being a 'British-Israelite. I am waiting for you to come clean as well.

Are you of age? Your questions seem childish sometimes and very repetitive. I answered this question in post #238. I'll answer it again. I don't know who they are or where they are. All I know is that they (Ten Tribes of the North) disappeared from history right after the first century. The Jews (One Tribe, plus Benjamin and most of Levi) remained identified to historians.

It seems that God has a reason for not identifying them at this time....but I'll ask you a few questions about them myself.

[2 Samuel 7:10] Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime. When has this prophecy ever been fulfilled by the Jews? They are being afflicted constantly.

[Jeremiah 3:18] In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers. Do you understand that this is speaking of the end times when God will bring these two people (Israel and Judah) together again? They will come from a northern land....so I doubt that they are the Catholic Nations of South America.

{2 Samuel 7:13-19][1 Chronicles 22:10][2 Chronicles 13:5][Psalm 89:20-37][Ezekiel 37:24][Jeremiah 33:17-26]. All these verses speak of David's throne (Kingdom of Israel) always being occupied by a man. When have the Jews had a perpetual throne? The last Jewish King in scripture was Zedekiah and his sons were killed before his eyes, he was blinded, bound in shackles and carried off to Babylon. [II Kings 25:7] We need to find a land where there has been a sitting king since the time of Zedekiah....or God is a liar.

Can you answer these simple question without spewing any more invective?

268 posted on 07/19/2007 6:22:31 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618; Ping-Pong; fortheDeclaration; Jeremiah Jr; sauropod; Lijahsbubbe; ...
It's painfully obvious that any discussion about the location of the northern tribes (those dispersed by Assyria and mixed among the Gentiles) devolves into accusations about British Israelitism/Identity Movement antisemitism. Easier to point to the extreme beliefs of the antisemitic *lost* and push everyone [who believes Joseph is still alive] over the same cliff, than it is to sort through Scripture to see what's in there.

Is it that hard to hear the prophets? Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Hosea are all singing the same song of redemption and ingathering of the House of Israel, as in the northern kingdom, who are so lost to history that people slam their ears shut to any possibility of their coming back from the dead.

The futile attempts to post evidence remind me of the moral of the story of the rich man and Lazarus:

Luke 16:29-31

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Joseph is still alive, and as a national entity (just as the State of Israel is a nation representing regathered Jews, even though Jews live worldwide) is hiding in plain sight. One could say that Joseph was hiding in plain sight, having risen to the position of vizier of Egypt. There is only one nation of the north, the most powerful and abundantly blessed nation on earth, that like the modern state of Israel, is a nation formed from an gathering of ALL nations, peoples, tongues... not just whites, Anglos, and/or Christians.

Genesis 45:25-28

25 And they went up out of Egypt, and came into the land of Canaan unto Jacob their father,
26 And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.
27 And they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said unto them: and when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of Jacob their father revived:
28 And Israel said, It is enough; Joseph my son is yet alive: I will go and see him before I die.

Well, if Jacob had trouble believing the "impossible", no wonder it's an uphill battle. :-D

Oh, and about the Identity movement crowd. Ironically, they may be correct about having descended from the lost tribes. Emphasis on LOST. The Northern Kingdom wasn't dispersed for its righteousness.

Come to think of it, as long as Ephraim continues to feed on wind and join to idols, he's going nowhere fast.

269 posted on 07/19/2007 7:45:06 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Diego1618; topcat54; P-Marlowe
Are you of age? Your questions seem childish sometimes and very repetitive. I answered this question in post #238. I'll answer it again. I don't know who they are or where they are. All I know is that they (Ten Tribes of the North) disappeared from history right after the first century. The Jews (One Tribe, plus Benjamin and most of Levi) remained identified to historians.

So you don't think they are the United States?

Remember this post?

Ask yourselves.....from what people have many blessings of this world flowed? From a tiny little country in the Middle East we call Israel or has God seen to it that another group of folks have been responsible for many things of this nature? From what areas of the world have the greatest Christian missionary endeavors begun.....carrying the Gospel to mankind? From what people have many useful inventions materialized....from whom have great strides in the knowledge of medicine and modern science been developed? From the little country we call Israel? They say they are the chosen ones....is this completely true? Who feeds the world? Who, at the drop of a hat....is there to help the rest of mankind, spending billions of their own tax dollars to fight disease, natural disasters with little concern about "just who gets the credit". Do these blessings come from a "Almighty God" who has perhaps channeled them through a blessed people....or is this all just coincidence? (emphasis added)

Dispensalism, wrongly dividing the word of truth Posted by Diego1618 to topcat54; Ping-Pong; Thinkin' Gal On Religion 04/22/2007 12:13:37 AM CDT · 344 of 768

So, if my 'invective' seems strong it is because you are being disingenuous on what you believe.

Ping and Thinkin' Gal have come clean, why don't you?

272 posted on 07/20/2007 4:08:26 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Diego1618; Dr. Eckleburg
I have answered those questions.

They are speaking of reuniting Israel and Judea as a single nation again under the Davidic Monarchy.

That hasn't happened yet, even though all 12 tribes are now known as Jews.

The land hasn't been divided into tribes for their inheritance, as was promised to them.

Now, you continually claim that the House of Israel are never called 'Jews', yet Peter states they crucified the Lord and it was the Jews who did so.

And the list of heresies keeps growing.

You also believe in Annihilatism, no eternal lake of Fire.

It is indeed amazing how one man can get so fouled up.

And, as for your correcting the Bible with your own personal opinions, that is really the height of arrogance.

You do not even read Greek or Hebrew, but you are going to correct the translation of men who could think and speak both?

With an interlinear and a lexicon?

And then you ask people to prove things from the scriptures!

What scriptures-your personal one?

Why don't you make your own bible and than we can go to Strongs and the Interliner and correct it with our own opinions.

274 posted on 07/20/2007 5:15:05 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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