To: visually_augmented
Some of what you have posted about Mormon beliefs is new to me.
In the hopes of understanding these beliefs more fully, I have a couple questions for you:
Glad to help.
It seems that you assent that there is only one true God - just as most all Christian churches proclaim.
That is correct although there will be others along in a moment I am sure to tell you I don't know what I believe, or I am lying about it.
But I dont understand what happens to glorified Mormons.
Do they become independent Gods (of lesser stature) or do they just become part of the Godhead?
If they do become part of the Godhead, how much independence do they maintain?
If a Mormon becomes part of the Godhead, do they then know the mind of God - the creator or are they still lacking in some faculties?
Very good questions, I can tell you are really thinking about it. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Glorified Mormons:(According to Mormon beliefs)
a) All who are not sons of perdition will be saved in a kingdom of God, All men get a Resurrected Body.
b) The Body will reflect the kingdom you being to, terrestrial bodies, terrestrial kingdom, celestial, celestial, etc.
c) you will perform the functions of that kingdom, angel, God, etc. Only those in the celestial kingdom will have offspring, only they will be married still, only they will be Gods,
d) These celestial resurrected men and women are what I will be talking about from here on.
Independence: There are several relationships that we have with God.
A) He is our father
b) He is our creator
c) He is our God
d) He is the author of our salvation.
We will always be his children, therefore he will always be our father (no matter how old I my father is and always will be my Dad) and therefore will be in a position of authority over me.
That said, when A God creates (which is the defining act of God hood) God is in complete control of his creation, life death shape and form all up to him or her
Gods will form their own God heads.
Lacking in some Facilities... It may take forever for us to learn all that is required to become a God, luckily, we have forever (grin) so that's not a problem, judgment day just puts us on the path, for I for one still have lots to learn. OK, next block of Questions...
Do the Mormons who become God(or Gods) then merit worship from Man?
Glorified men are not worshiped by their fellow creations that would be...Weird.
The only being we as creations of God will ever worship is God our creator (which is Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost which comprise our Godhead or one God.)
In other words, when you worship God, are you worshiping all glorified Mormons as well?
Absolutely not, besides judgment day has not happened yet, so they are not yet on the path to being Gods they who will be so judged are waiting judgment.
OK, next block of Questions...
If it is Gods decision to make Mormons part of the Godhead,
We would never become part of his Godhead, those spots are filled if you will accept that analogy.
is there an intermediate condition where you are dead but not part of the Godhead. In other words, can you be good enough not to be hell bound but still not meet the Godhead standard?
Absolutely, "in my father;'s house are many mansions, Mormons believe in three main kingdoms and in levels within those kingdoms. Everything will be perfectly suited to us for Go's work is a perfect work.
Is the standard for reaching God status well defined in Mormon teachings?
There are some specific things you need to do, beyond that God will guide you. If necessary, angles will guide you in what you need to do, you are the whole purpose of creation, so you are important to them.
Or is this status discerned by God only upon your physical death? Some people have received a witness while alive of where they were going to go. I personally have not.
Is your entire life judged by God for this purpose or just your faithful obedience after conversion - in other words, are some people with extremely heinous sins disqualified regardless of later decisions made in their lives?
Your whole life is judged, but there is no sin save Murder and denying the Holy Ghost which will not be swallowed up in baptism ,and sincere repentance (David is a good example here.) So neither of your suppositions is quite accurate here.
What about death-bed conversion - is this possible in the Mormon faith??
Yes, and no (sorry, it's the best I can do) if you are truly converted, there will be much repenting for you to do in the Spirit world while you await judgment there, Repenting there is harder than here, so do it here. Even people who did not hear about the church in this world can be converted there, that is why Mormons perform vicarious works in the temple. These works allow those who passed before the gospel was restored, to have the necessary ordinances performed on their behalf so they can achieve as much as any member today could if they live good a righteous lives when they were here. God has declared that all will have these ordinances and during the millennium, we will have access to records kept in the spirit world and will do the work for those who had no records in this life. (like the indians who left no record, Mouris, etc) all will have the opportunity to accept or reject Jesus Christ as their savior.
Whew!
BTW some thing Vicarious works are strange while accepting the Vicarious work of the atonement without question, grin.
Thanks for your input and info....
You are very welcome, and I hope you now have enough interest to pursue it though the channels open to you here, including FM me and i will be happy to chat, many do, I don't mind.
462 posted on
07/09/2007 12:37:15 PM PDT by
DelphiUser
("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
To: DelphiUser
Absolutely not, besides judgment day has not happened yet, so they are not yet on the path to being Gods they who will be so judged are waiting judgment.
This sounds SO familiar...
Genesis 3:5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Your whole life is judged, but there is no sin save Murder and denying the Holy Ghost which will not be swallowed up in baptism ,and sincere repentance (David is a good example here.)
I guess this MURDER thing is something that got left out in the 1800 years between Christ and Joseph?
Matthew 12:31-32
31. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Mark 3:28-29
28. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them.
29. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Yes, and no (sorry, it's the best I can do) if you are truly converted, there will be much repenting for you to do in the Spirit world while you await judgment there, Repenting there is harder than here, so do it here.
Oh??
Why?
512 posted on
07/10/2007 6:44:08 AM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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