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The Catholics would have us believe that once Jesus established his church, it would never be taken form the earth. This is in direct crontravention of the Bible even though they tried to eliminate as many of the books of scripture as they could that had such refrences in them, some slipped through.

(See how it can be made to look?)

Sadly with the institution of the Nicene creed (IMHO), the apostasy away from the teachings started by Jesus Christ was complete.

Are you disputing Greek philospohical influence on early christianity?

Arius had it right, in spite of your attempts to display him in as bad of a light as you can, so did Hippolytus who was the voice of the church in his day. Hippolytus fought against the greek influence that started to change the definition of God, from being one of Corporeal, sperate entities to one of a Greek influenced shapless formless immaterial being, from one of our father, who looks like us to one of a Being who has no appearance and who's realtionship with us is of a more tenuous nature.

If you honestly study this searching for the truth, you will find truth, if you look only at attack models, you will find only what you seek, not what is true.

Sadly with the institution of the Nicene creed (IMHO), the apostasy away from the teachings started by Jesus Christ was complete.

So THERE!!

Quit picking on US and DEFEND yerself!!

--MormonDude

There we have it, then. I believe that we can therefore agree that the Nicene Creed irrevocably separates the LDS from mainstream Christianity, since the Nicene Creed is required belief for us.

I do not dispute the influence of the Greeks. At no time, have I ever said that the Orthodox was inferior to the Latin. Not at all. The Orthodox have maintained certain traditions and culture that, sadly because of Protestant influence, the Latin churches have diminished.

I will say, however, that I believe that the Church Fathers, who were left in charge, made the decisions that they were authorized to make; they guided the Church to the point where it is today; they did what they were supposed to do.

The God of the Old Testament didn’t spend much corporal time here. For a Catholic treatise of Arian you may wish to visit http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm. It deals with what Arianism is, how it is heretical, who championed it, and how it was put to rest for many centuries. I’d like to know the truth; being here on these forums exposes me to many things that I would otherwise not have seen.