Our Mormon Brothers?

Reformed Evangelist ^ | May 14th, 2007 | Jeff Fuller

[Elsie]

I asume that everyone on this forum is aware of their own shortcomings, maybe that is an error, but I will assume it none the less.

Yes; it is an error.

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HEY!!

You out there!!

(Yeah you!)

Are you aware of ALL your failings and shortcomings??

[Elsie]

“You just never know their might be a grassroots who would like to run the LDS out of Utah.

I heard similar expression from fastcoyote, and maybe Utah binger and who know how many others have this agenda?”

Probably ALL the Muslims of the world!

[Elsie]

ARRRGH!!!!

150% of The BEAST's number

[Elsie]

I have nothing left to say.

[Enosh]

That’s okay, your interpretation may very well be the correct one. And I’m going down now to catch breakfast. ;)

[Greg F]

Not a fact or assertion in your post other than “that’s your opinion.” I noticed you didn’t preface the assertion of incorrectness with “in my opinion.” One of the sillier non-responses I’ve recieved on the thread.

Logically, if God was born, he was born in time, meaning creation pre-dates God, meaning he is not the God of the Bible but a god. Small “g” — created thing. Wrong choice for worship. Not God.

First words of the Bible “In the beginning God . . .”

[Utah Binger]

and maybe Utah binger and who know how many others have this agenda?

Please do not use my name in vain. I can speak for myself if and when I decide to.

Further, you can come to my place of business in Utah anytime but remember, if you have to ask the price of the artwork, you can't afford it. Also you can get the best coffee in Southern Utah here. Seems many of the local Mormon's think so too.

[DelphiUser]

Placemarker (this menas I will not be responding for a while.)

[Religion Moderator]

How the moderators handle thread jumping is a judgment call.

If there is a pattern specific to another Freeper, it may be considered "stalking." If there is a pattern specific to a subject, it may be considered "trolling" or "troublemaking."

The general behavior of the jumper contributes to the decision making.

[DelphiUser]

I Said: My God died for me on the cross....
You Said: The FLESH that His Spirit was using died.

So, are you saying that when a man dies, his spirit dies also?

Mormons do not believe that the spirit can die other than what we call the second death which is a metaphor for being separated from God spiritually, not an actual death of the spirit.

To a Mormon, all death is just a death of the flesh, the spirit which existed before this earth lives on, hence the need to paradise and spirit prison.

Anyway, I can agree with it the way you said it too, but the point is there was no possibility for God dieing in Mormon theology either, so again (IMHO) we have a distinction without a difference.

[DelphiUser]

No one can tell if I misspell a word when I am talking!

Especially if no one is listening.





Hey, where'd every body Go?

[wita]

False doctrine must be exposed to the light of Truth, which can only be found in the revealed, written Word of God - that which has been recognized as the Bible for nearly 2,000 years.

...and which book of scripture and those who choose to interpret it, have generated quite a few “Christian” denominations with wildly differing doctrines all designed to lead adherents to salvation, if one can believe such a statement. To suggest that God himself is the author of such confusion is to bastardize the word “church” in the extreme.

[FastCoyote]

[Did you not at one time when CC talked about this before say something like it?

There was some remark you have made in the past several weeks caught my attention at the time!]

Well, typical. Make up something you think you mighta heard and not bother to quote anyone. Well, I “heard” resty is a prevaricator, how do you like an accusation like that?

[FastCoyote]

“If I confused you with someone else I apologized FastCoyote!”

well you certainly did confuse me with some figment of your imagination

[FastCoyote]

Wow, nifty digs. I may be close enough to visit some time.

[DelphiUser]

I extracted quotes from the web page in order to illustrate this published doctrine that quite clearly defines Jesus as separate from God the Father. Jesus is, according to this doctrine, inferior to GOD, and a creation of Him. Further, there are other statements of Mormon faith that appear to diverge significantly from orthodox Christian faith. There are many quotes that I lifted out in published order - I agree that it rambles on and is less than coherent.

I have found that in debates such as thesea claerly defined header paragraph followed by your quotes makes it much clearer to those you wish to as the question of. Just some advice. (It's worth what you paid for it...)

Now, as in life things are never as simple as they seem, without going back to your prior post which was difficult to extract meaning fro, i will just answer your questions here to the best of my admittedly limited ability (for I am just a man).

There is almost never a single relationship between things and most who start trying to pin things down in either life or religion to one end up defining a relationship that in reality just does not exist.

We have amnay relationships with God:

1. Creation
2. Child
3. Potential Peer
4. Sworn Subject

and many more, this is just an example.

Jesus in Mormon theology has a very special status, and while he shares some relationships with us, there are others that are unique to him and him alone.

For example, whiule Jesus has all the relationships in the list above, he also has these:

1. Memeber of the God head
2. First begotten spirit child
3. Only begotten child in the flesh
4. Co-Creator (as in he was assigned to create everything God created, and followed Gods the Father's plans perfectly.

So, some relationships like child people would thing jesus inferiro, some like memeber ofthe God head people would not think that. As for me personally, Jesus is the loyal Son who has earned all that his father hath. Thus to deal with him is to deal with the father for all practical intnets and purposes, however, he still defers tot he father out of fililial responsibility and love.

Do you understand these to be at least a portion of Mormon doctrine?

I truly did not understand enough of your first post to answer this question.

Id did my best toanswer this post, is that good enough?

DU

[Porterville]

I think it is called an “asinine motive” but in psychology it is a form of transference.

From Wikipedia:

Transference is a phenomenon in psychology characterized by unconscious redirection of feelings for one person to another. One definition of transference is "the inappropriate repetition in the present of a relationship that was important in a person's childhood."

[1] Another definition is "the redirection of feelings and desires and esp. of those unconsciously retained from childhood toward a new object."

[2] Still another definition is "a reproduction of emotions relating to repressed experiences, esp. of childhood, and the substitution of another person . . . for the original object of the repressed impulses."

3] Transference was first described by Sigmund Freud, who acknowledged its importance for psychoanalysis for better understanding of the patient's feelings.

[Greg F]

ARRRGH!!!!

155.555555555555555555556% of the BEAST’s number. ; )

[Greg F]

Awww, Delphiuser, you messed up my calculation of the % of the BEAST’s number I had in the post . . .

[DelphiUser]

Well, you appear to be the only apologist that wishes to enter into discussion of what I understand to be published Mormon doctrine, instead of huffily pronouncing that the non Mormon Gentiles don’t understand anything about the faith and leaving the discussion.

Thank you.

I feel the same way about being called an "Apologist" as others do about being called anti Mormon, I have nothing to apologize for, my faith is a good thing. However, i accept it because it is the term that is in use, as Anti-Mormons should accept the accurate, but unflattering label that is in use for their position /rant

For some fun, click on my name and check out my page here at FR, I have done some research on the Trinity and the First Council at Nice from the Mormon perspective. it might be illustrative, then again, it might just be boring to you. (YMMV)