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1 posted on 06/27/2007 12:00:08 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Campolo is not an evangelical


2 posted on 06/27/2007 12:01:48 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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That part where the writer says about Compolo that "He describes the origin and the dangers of ....... “evangelical Zionism” means that Compolo, and his fawning reviewer, are antisemites. Insiders in progressive political culture within Protestantism and the Christian church movement are supposed to understand those code words.

'nuff said. Not likely to read anything by that reviewer or Compolo.

3 posted on 06/27/2007 12:13:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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“The red letters challenge Americans’ justifications for accumulating wealth, support of capital punishment, ready endorsement of war, rampant consumerism, rebellion against sexual prohibitions that have sustained purity and modesty for generations, and arrogant use of economic power to fulfill national self-interests to the detriment of other nations.” Hmmm, do they mean like: Matthew 5:27
27 "You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. 31 "It was also said, `Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Or Matthew 15:18
18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' " The "evangelical left" is undoubtably thinking about the story of the adulturess. But the point of that story is that we are supposed to forgive sinners, not that adultury is not a sin.

5 posted on 06/27/2007 12:17:12 PM PDT by Jibaholic (http://www.gentlerespect.com)
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To: Alex Murphy
In affirming why red-letter Christians are so important, Campolo writes, "We are evangelicals who want to change the world, but not through political coercion. Our methodology is loving persuasion. We don’t want power; we just want to speak truth to power."

This will come as a great surprise to most of the leftists which consider themselves "red letter Christians."

6 posted on 06/27/2007 12:19:16 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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Frankly, we evangelicals are troubled by the political power that fundamentalists are wielding these days.

Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow. Yesterday's Gone, Yesterday's Gone.


The first few times you go into the Oval Office, you're awestruck. You know, you kind of brace yourself and say, I'm not going to be impressed by this. When you get there, you are impressed. During my time, I had to constantly ask myself that: Am I being used?

8 posted on 06/27/2007 12:51:31 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Alex Murphy

11 posted on 06/27/2007 1:17:39 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (A better name for the goracle is "MALgore" - as in MALpractice, MALevolent, MALfeasance, MALodorous,)
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“...we need to understand Open Theism so we can call it for what it is. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina some of the adherents to this doctrine have stepped forward to espouse such false teaching. Perhaps the most blatant attack on the traditional, biblical view of God has been launched by Tony Campolo, a man who has been teaching dangerous doctrine for many years now. To see that he believes in Open Theism we need look no further than the title of his article: “Katrina: Not God’s Wrath—or His Will.” Here are a few quotes:

“Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad answers. One such answer is that somehow all suffering is a part of God’s great plan. In the midst of agonies, someone is likely to quote from the Bible, telling us that if we would just be patient, we eventually would see “all things work together for the good, for those who love God, and are called according to His purposes.” (Romans 8:28)”

“Perhaps we would do well to listen to the likes of Rabbi Harold Kushner, who contends that God is not really as powerful as we have claimed. Nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures does it say that God is omnipotent. Kushner points out that omnipotence is a Greek philosophical concept, but it is not in his Bible. Instead, the Hebrew Bible contends that God is mighty. That means that God is a greater force in the universe than all the other forces combined.”

He concludes by saying, “Instead of looking for God in the earthquake or the tsunami, in the roaring forest fires blazing in the western states, or in the mighty winds of Katrina, it would be best to seek out a quiet place and heed the promptings of God’s still small voice. That voice will inspire us to bring some of God’s goodness to bear in the lives of those who suffer.”

This it outright, blatant heresy. It is unbiblical and dangerous. Avoid this man and his teaching!

You can read the complete article here. http://www.beliefnet.com/story/174/story_17423.html

Katrina: Not God’s Wrath—or His Will
The Hebrew Bible doesn’t say God is omnipotent. When disaster strikes, he cries with the rest of us.
By Dr. Tony Campolo

Whenever there is a catastrophe, some religious people inevitably ask, “Why didn’t God do something? Where was God when all those people died?” Among the answers we might consider is the one that Martin Luther gave as his wife asked a similar question upon the death of their infant son. Luther answered, “The same place he was when His son died!”

Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad answers. One such answer is that somehow all suffering is a part of God’s great plan. In the midst of agonies, someone is likely to quote from the Bible, telling us that if we would just be patient, we eventually would see “all things work together for the good, for those who love God, and are called according to His purposes.” (Romans 8:28)

I don’t doubt that God can bring good out of tragedies, but the Bible is clear that God is not the author of evil! (James 1:15) Statements like that dishonor God, and are responsible for driving more people away from Christianity than all the arguments that atheistic philosophers could ever muster. When the floods swept into the Gulf Coast, God was the first one who wept.

There are still other religionists who take the opportunity to tell us that God is punishing America for its many sins. Undoubtedly, there are some al-Qaeda fanatics who right now are saying that Katrina is the hand of God, striking America for what we have done to the people of Iraq and to the Palestinians. Furthermore, there are Christians who, in the weeks to come, can be counted on to thunder from their pulpits that Katrina is God’s wrath against the immorality of this nation, pointing out that New Orleans is the epitome of our national degradation and debauchery. To all of this I say, “Wrong.”

The God revealed in Jesus did not come into the world “to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” (John 3:17) There can be no arguments over the claim that, for a variety of reasons, our nation deserves punishment. But when the Bible tells us about the grace of God, it is giving us the good news that our loving God does not give us what we truly deserve. Certainly, God would not create suffering for innocent people, who were—for the most part—Katrina’s victims.

Perhaps we would do well to listen to the likes of Rabbi Harold Kushner, who contends that God is not really as powerful as we have claimed. Nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures does it say that God is omnipotent. Kushner points out that omnipotence is a Greek philosophical concept, but it is not in his Bible. Instead, the Hebrew Bible contends that God is mighty. That means that God is a greater force in the universe than all the other forces combined.

In scripture we get the picture of a cosmic struggle going on between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. The good news is that, in the end, God will be victorious. That is why we can sing in the Hallelujah Chorus, “the kingdoms of this world [will] become the Kingdom of our Lord.”

Personally, I contend that the best thing for us to do in the aftermath of Katrina is to remain silent, and not try to explain this tragedy. Instead of asking “Why?” we should be asking, “What does God want us to do now?” The loving God calls all believers in the face of Katrina’s devastation to seek ways to express love in concrete ways towards those who have lost friends and family members; and to those who have lost homes along with most of their earthly belongings.

In the Bible, we read this passage: “And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.” (I Kings 19:11-12)

Instead of looking for God in the earthquake or the tsunami, in the roaring forest fires blazing in the western states, or in the mighty winds of Katrina, it would be best to seek out a quiet place and heed the promptings of God’s still small voice. That voice will inspire us to bring some of God’s goodness to bear in the lives of those who suffer.

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Dr. Tony Campolo is an ordained minister and the founder of the Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education. Professor emeritus of Sociology at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania, he is the author of 28 books, including ‘Following Jesus Without Embarrassing God.’

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12 posted on 06/27/2007 1:24:49 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (A better name for the goracle is "MALgore" - as in MALpractice, MALevolent, MALfeasance, MALodorous,)
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To: Alex Murphy
Mr. Campolo, you are a doofus (I say this with the utmost Christian charity). You're spewing the same ol' claptrap as Obama, Clinton, and Edwards..."American evangelicals don't care about the poor or social justice, they only care about gay marriage and abortion."

Conveniently you and your ilk ignore all the inner-city churches, missions works (here and abroad), relief efforts, etc., that evangelicals support. Tell me, would you classify the influence of black Christians on civil rights legislation as "political coercion"?

13 posted on 06/27/2007 1:40:29 PM PDT by opus86
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To: Alex Murphy; Calm_Cool_and_Elected

Campolo ping


17 posted on 06/27/2007 6:47:50 PM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Campolo falls into the common tendency of liberalism - enter into you understanding of God based on human preconceptions of “good” and then define your God to fit those preconceptions.

Liberal preconception - it is unjust that “innocent” people should die and God cannot be responsible for their deaths. The only explanation is that it must have been out of God’s control.

No wonder demoncrats think that Christians are foolish and illogical - cause all the “Christians” they hang out with are exactly that!!


19 posted on 06/27/2007 6:52:12 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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I didn’t know the CoC was a liberal group. Next you know they’ll be ordaining gays like their UCC distant cousins.


22 posted on 06/27/2007 7:26:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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“J. Wayne Newland is a member of the Greater Portland Church of
Christ in South Portland, Maine.”

I can’t help wondering if the writer’s congregation isn’t one of the
International Churches of Christ movement. This group that splintered
off from the conservative (mainstream) Churches of Christ often
name their congregations after the city/metro area they are located in.


24 posted on 06/28/2007 9:07:34 AM PDT by VOA
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“He is very well known by conservative Christians, but considers himself
a “socially progressive evangelical””

translation: He’s a socialist that trots out his “Christian” label
as a fig leaf and a tool to tap church endowment funds for left-wing “causes”.


25 posted on 06/28/2007 9:09:24 AM PDT by VOA
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Talk about a “wolf in sheep’s clothing.”


26 posted on 06/28/2007 9:10:35 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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