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IT’S COMING - MOTU PROPRIO - 7 JULY
What Does The Prayer Really Say? ^ | 6/27/2007 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 06/27/2007 10:50:27 AM PDT by GCC Catholic

On Wednesday afternoon the Secretary of State, Tarcisio Card. Bertone gave the Motu Proprio to 30 bishops from around the world on Wednesday afternoon in the Apostolic Palace. The bishops were explicitly chosen and invited for this. (I am guessing that they were heads of Bishops Conferences.) Pope Benedict XVI later came to the meeting. The document is three pages long, though what the format is in not revealed.

It is clear from the way this was done that the Holy Father wanted to make sure that bishops got this document in this way, rather than having to read about it in the paper. I assume that what will happen now is that these bishops, if they are heads of conferences, will return home and distribute the document to the bishop members of the conference.

The general publication is 7 July.

Many thanks to Kath.net

(Excerpt) Read more at wdtprs.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: indult; motuproprio; notamarkomalleymotu; therealdeal; tridentine; tridentinemass
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To: Zetman

Two great minds with the same paranoid thought, I see! LOL!

You’re absolutely right, they will be staying up nights and even turning off their favorite TV programs to pore over this document and find the weasel words.


61 posted on 06/27/2007 1:58:33 PM PDT by livius
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To: Jaded

>>He did state that he didn’t know that RC churches were allowed to do TLM. VII and all that. He didn’t know what Novus Ordo meant either.<<

*sigh* so sad.


62 posted on 06/27/2007 1:59:11 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: livius
You’re absolutely right, they will be staying up nights and even turning off their favorite TV programs to pore over this document and find the weasel words.

I like it: "weasel words". Sounds like a phrase straight out of one of my favorite comic strips, "Dilbert".

Let us hope that we are both being too cynical.
63 posted on 06/27/2007 2:04:53 PM PDT by Zetman
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To: Frank Sheed
Got us a cool pic . . .


64 posted on 06/27/2007 2:15:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NYer
I know I'm not that young, but I was born in '66 and did not grow up with the Latin Mass--never even learned any Latin. In '81, we moved to a parish (a cathedral, actually) that had a beautiful choir which sang The Gloria (I still don't know which version, but it was the most beautiful I've EVER heard--I felt like I would be lifted off the ground! The men and women had different parts and at times it was "thunderous"), The Sanctus and the Angnus Dei in Latin. The Gloria was so beautiful, I followed the words and learned it. (I was only 16 at the time!)

Fast forward to 2003. I take the boys to a daily Mass where we get to know a holy priest. He invites us to his "private" Tridentine Mass. (later learned he was being a bit disobedient there). This then encourages me to learn and to teach my kids Latin. When we go to the Tridentine Mass at our downtown parish, there are LOTS of young families (especially homeschoolers). The VERY REVERENT Novus Order Latin Mass has a ton of young families, as well.

Then, when visiting family in a liberal diocese, we found an Anglican use parish, so we went there. The Mass was in Latin, and there were sooo many babies crying, my oldest son was complaining. I thought that was a great sign!!

And here was a new one found only in our time--I saw a young 20-something mother with several toddlers in tow on her way to Communion (where everyone kneeled). On the back of her neck was tatooed, "Dominus Vobiscum" in a fancy scroll.

65 posted on 06/27/2007 2:16:32 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: NYer
Most Catholics here have been strongly indoctrinated into the NO liturgy ... and like it.

Many if not most Catholic's have never seen the TLM so the NO is all they know. I think many will see the beauty of the TLM when it is made available to them.

66 posted on 06/27/2007 2:22:52 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: GCC Catholic

I don’t drink, but I promise, when this comes down, to break out the Niceness Nodules for at least 24 hours.


67 posted on 06/27/2007 2:33:20 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jaded

yeah the DRE at the church where I went to RCIA told me right up front “Latin is history, get used to it.” I wish I would have had the fortitude to say “May I remind you, Madam, that Latin is the (still) the official language of our Church.”

Maybe soon I can just say “Nyah-nyah-nee-boo-boo!”


68 posted on 06/27/2007 2:42:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Romulus

You know this is a good point — since the Traditional High Mass isn’t dependent on the personality of the Priest it should not prove to be terribly intimidating. I hope they will do their best to do it well, but if there’s a certain amount of muttering, so be it.


69 posted on 06/27/2007 2:45:30 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Frank Sheed; Tax-chick

Speaking Latin is like taking a nice chewy mouthful of thick satisfying Guiness. It’s an adorable language (the Church variety at least) and very easy for us English speakers to pronounce. But you know that.


70 posted on 06/27/2007 2:48:45 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: AnAmericanMother
http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, June 27, 2007

Motu Eve?

According to a well-placed intercept following today's presentation of the motu proprio on the Tridentine Mass to a group of 30 bishops (see below), no mention was made of a publication date extensively delayed into the future.

Apparently, the understanding among the attendees was that, as with yesterday's document on the reinstatement of the invariable 2/3 supermajority in papal elections, the text will be made public in the Bollettino of the Holy See Press Office as early as Roman noon tomorrow.

As of this writing, the name of the decree has not yet materialized.... More as it comes in.

71 posted on 06/27/2007 3:15:33 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: ichabod1; Frank Sheed; Tax-chick
Hmmm . . .

I tend to think of it as quite different from Guinness . . . sweeter . . . more honeyed . . . more brilliant . . . perhaps a VERY fine Champagne or a beautifully matured d'Yquem or La Tour Blanche . . . .


72 posted on 06/27/2007 3:39:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

This is definitely our pic! You can do the ping list. In any thread on the Tridentine Rite, it will be incumbent on us to utter inanities, condemn all to Hades for not following the Spirit of Vatican II and to utter epithets that are not commensurate with reality.

In short, to be a pain in the buttocks.

Frank Sheed
Venerable Recorder for the SSML
Georgia Chapter


73 posted on 06/27/2007 3:51:54 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
More alcohol...


74 posted on 06/27/2007 3:56:56 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: monkapotamus
As of this writing, the name of the decree has not yet materialized.... More as it comes in.

How about:

Plenitudo temporis : )


75 posted on 06/27/2007 4:00:49 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Frank Sheed
Looks like somebody got in ahead of us . . .

Spirit of Vatican II Blog

Check out the Index Blogorum Prohibitorum.

76 posted on 06/27/2007 4:01:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Is it parody or is it for real!?


77 posted on 06/27/2007 4:03:48 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Pyro7480

Judge for yourself if it is parody. This is one of Sr. Fairah’s sermons. It is in the SSML tradition. Bully!

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I have GOT to tell you about my experience at ETWN. I cannot believe those people call themselves Catholic. They are so far from the spirit of CHURCH it isn’t even funny. It is honestly sad, in fact.

First, a sad, sad tale of many sister trees, martyrs for a wasted cause.

Here’s the story: the sadly constricted Sister who was assigned to guard me was so nice at first. She seemed genuinely interested in reading the tracts, and even volunteered to put them up on the website marketplace. It was a HUGE mistake to surrender both suitcases! I have learned my lesson. I thought, until recently, I had gotten them back, but in fact, didn’t. They returned the suitcases to me, full of horrible, evil booklets by Mother Angelica. Talk about medieval! That woman is truly Spanish Inquisition leftovers! I just get nauseous when I think about the TREES that were sacrificed to print RUBBISH like this! And what did they do with my Chick tracts? Do they have ANY idea of the number of banners I had to sell to purchase them? Not to mention the ACCORDIAN MARATHON I did… 48 hours non stop on a street corner. My fingers were bloody by the time I finished. Oh, how sad! And now, what do I do with these ANTIQUATED and ARCHAIC booklets? I have TOTAL respect for the trees from which they came … and I just can’t ignore their spirits and burn them (oh, shutter!). But what DO I DO WITH TWO SUITCASES OF THIS NONSENSE?

I’m sure you’re all wondering how I got out. Well, the Sister was cordial, at least. They would NOT give me herbal teas, however, and had NOTHING organic to offer. I was just a little hungry when Todd & Eugene finally rescued me. Thankfully, they had come stocked with plenty of tofu “treats.” Thanks, guys!

Well, after they claimed to have burned my tracts (I still don’t believe they could be so inhumane), I refused to leave until they returned them to me. We seemed to have hit a stale-mate until I got the brilliant idea to sing. So, I began walking around the studio singing every verse of Kumbaya, Like a Sunflower and I want to Teach the World to Sing. And other wonderful hymns. It wasn’t long before they were offering to buy me a bus ticket. I refused, and kept singing. Soon, they were offering a train ticket. I still insisted on getting my tracts back. Soon, they were demanding I allow them to buy me a plane ticket. It was about then that Todd & Eugene came. They had my suitcases ready to go, and we went on our way. Unfortunately, I didn’t check the contents of the suitcases until later. I still cry when I see the antediluvian literature I’m stuck with.

I’m open to any orthodox idea of what to do with these things. HELP, someone!

Oh, and until Todd, Eugene & I have a better sense of what’s happening, I am refusing to step food on Parish grounds. WHERE IS TIM?? You have Todd’s phone #, Father, so let us know what you want!


78 posted on 06/27/2007 4:11:11 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Many if not most Catholic's have never seen the TLM so the NO is all they know. I think many will see the beauty of the TLM when it is made available to them.

Again (and I am in NO way belittling the TLM) ... perhaps I am not phrasing this properly ... in those parishes with few, if any, Latin speaking priests, who will say the Latin Mass, once the Motu Proprio is issued? If there is NO priest to say the TLM, no one will come. This has been 'tested' by the bishop who allowed the Indult to be said in a local parish, for many years now. There are very few in attendance.

79 posted on 06/27/2007 4:21:01 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Frank Sheed; pgkdan; trisham; Tax-chick; TradicalRC

“That’s the Spirit!” ping to post 72. Further potation suggestions down a few posts ...

I will be drinking a glass of Shark Trust “Reef Shark Red,” a Grenache/Syrah blend from Southern France, as soon as I get the Wild Things to bed. (Percentage of the proceeds to shark conservation, or we wouldn’t buy a French wine.)


80 posted on 06/27/2007 4:27:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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