Posted on 06/18/2007 12:22:11 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
At the speed which Rome innovates, adding more points to reconcile, you sure 3054 will be any better than now, right now? May as well be done with it & submit yourself to Her as She stands & try to work things out from the inside.
It's not a matter of breath, or chance. The Church is actively working on re-union. There are two hurdles in that process,. The first one is the issue of papacy, the nature and the extent of its jurisdiction. The second one involves theological constructs over which we seem to be in disagreement, namely the dogmatic pronouncements of the Latin Church pronounced after the de facto dissolution of communion.
Papacy must be dealt with first. Once the Church has agreed on the issue of jurisdictional primacy, the Pope can call for the next Ecumenical Council. It is the EC that will then take up the burden of theology.
However, the dialogue is preparing the ground for these issues to be well-prepared when such a Synod is convened. The dialogue has debunked many myths and has shown that many of our theological differences are peculiar to our different traditions and not different theological truths.
It is entirely possible that, in one tradition, it is impossible to frame theology in the same way as in another tradition, even if both speak the same truth, just as it is impossible to frame a sentence in exactly the same way in a different language; a "true" translation is not one that is word-by-word (because words and tenses may not even exist in the other language) but whether the intent or the spirit.
Thus, it is important that Catholics and Orthodox say that God the Father is the source of everything and all, and that, as regards the Holy Spirit, there is no double procession. It is important to believe in the Real Presence as an unspeakable mystery and not in the exact mechanism made up by human reason.
So, a reunion will not be "fusing" or "morphing" of either side into he other, but in establishing that both particular sides of the Church believe in the same thing, but express it differently in their respective traditions.
Catholic priests are allowed to permit Anglicans to partake of the Eucharist if the priest has established that the Anglicans in question have a Catholic understanding and belief as regard the sacrament (i.e. that the Lord is physically present and not just symbolically). Thus, the intent of their reception is considered "Catholic" and therefore licit.
Is there one set of keys or are there a bunch of them? Did Christ hand out keys all around?
What are you talking about? Where are you quoting from? What is your point?
He gave the power to bind and loosen ("the keys") to the original set of Apostles (minus Judas). "The keys" are not physical keys but the authority from God. The Apostles, in turn, passed that on to their successors, by the same authority.
The Didache is NOT normative! It has zero authority.
a few more popes like benedict though and a lot of these innovations may be swept under the rug.
either way there has always been some disparity between the east and west in practice, heck there still is in the eastern rite churches in rome.
as far as submission though i dont see submission ever happening. rome can come back to the table as the first amoung EQUALS sure, but will have to give up the idea that it can unilaterly act on the jurisdictions of other patriarchates.
kosta answers this nicely...
Not a small sticking point, specially considering the innovative elevations that Latins have given to the office since the split.
I’m well aware of that & I have an idea why.
A good start:
While still a brilliant theologian at the university, he endeared himself to the separated Eastern Orthodox with his famed “Ratzinger Formula.” In Graz (1976), the Roman Church dogmatician shocked the ecumenical world by declaring that “what was possible during a whole millennium can Christianly not be impossible today.” Consequently, “on the doctrine of the primacy (of the papacy), Rome must not require more from the East than what was formulated and lived out during the first millennium”–that is, prior to the 1054 Great Schism.
Ratzinger later clarified that his 1976 statement was not meant as a mere chronological return, but as a mutual commitment to confess the essential doctrinal consensus that had emerged as the ecclesial heritage of the first seven ecumenical councils of the undivided early church (through II Nicaea, 787).
http://www.carthage.edu/augustine/index.php?page_id=10/
He gave them to Peter, along with the charge to feed His sheep. Your position on it, that they were given to all of the Apostles & their successors is an interesting innovation.
Don't count on Rome giving up Her position on infallibility, cuz it's not the kind of thing that can be swept under the rug. At best, you can hope for Rome to take the position that future popes will no longer exercise it, though it could not be made binding on any future popes.
i don’t care what they do with it within their jurisdiction. Rome’s been doing wacky things the rest of the church doesn’t for quite a while (unmarried only priests for instance)
Orthodox have the better position on that issue, IMO, where Rome has rightful authority over Her share of the flock, while the other Patriarchies have the same over their share of the flock. You & I both know that is NOT Rome’s position.
Its a line from a friggin movie for cryin' out loud. lol. Hey Mr. Religion Moderator would it be making it personal to verbalize an observation that this guy is really wound up tight? :-)
The links show the exact same article with all the same writing other than changing around the Orthodox/Catholic line.
The Catholic version has been bouncing around the web for at least a decade and can be found on numerous websites via Google.
Its obviously plagarism.
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