Posted on 06/18/2007 12:22:11 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Mic helis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.
If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church."
This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.
Hardly. Even Rome consider’s the ability to Bind and Loose (the ‘Power of the Keys’) to be the authority of the Church not an individual, says so right in the CCC.
Correction: I wasn’t attempting to “spit” in anyone’s oatmeal. This simply tells the truth regarding the origins of the original Church. Accept it or don’t.
not to mention that it was the Bishop of Rome who went against the canons of the councils and split from the 4 other ancient sees...
The authority in the Church rests in apostolic commission (succession), in the office of a bishop. Neither Protestants nor Baptists do not have valid clergy.
Your link still doesn’t prove plagarism.
Or maybe if Rome was in communion with US!
Agreed: in the early church and continueing today, invoking scriptures has been just one part of the celebration of the last supper and the teaching of God's new convenant as defined and defended in the Apostles Creed. St Paul did not quote St Paul: he was a spirit-filled teacher whose writings we are lucky enough to have retained in written form as well as in tradition.
The split is the split. The Church no longer speaks with one voice. Men failed to maintain unity, so pointing the finger at those who also failed to maintain unity in latter years is a hollow charge.
That really wasn’t my intention, especially with the on-going dialog between our two churches. I just could’nt resist a little fun :)
Er, that would be St. John Chrysostom. Good try.
Let's think of some of the Reformation era Popes that you hold in esteem
Their abilities to be popes is one thing; their personal corruption is an altogether a different story. Texconfenderate is referring to the latter.
You can be a superb pilot and a very rotten human being. You can be a famous surgeon who saved a lot of lives and also be a child molester.
Your skills do not bespeak your moral character, nor does your moral character bespeak your ability to perform your skills.
The Church looks at those popes as regards to their skills to steer the Church in the otrthodox faith. The Church is not called to judge them, and neither are we (for we have sinned and we all have dirt under our nails). That is left to God.
Agreed.
Dialog yes, full communion, no. I’m not holding my breath. Are you?
Thanks Brother. You said it better than I could :)
“Actually, I believe some Baptists would argue their beliefs go back to John the Baptist, preceding and incorporating our Lord’s ministry. Thus, if correct, the Baptists would be the oldest faith.”
They believe they go back further than Abraham?
There was a general lack of good will on both sides and lots of ego-related issues. The Ecumenical Patriarch in 1054 was a very moody and difficult character.
Bishops were acting in arrogance and lack of charity. Cardinal Humbert delivered the bull of excommunication in Constantinople by riding a horse into the church and all the way through the Royal Doors to the altar in the middle of the Divine Liturgy.
Cardinal Humbert was no longer a papal legate and was acting on his own, since the pope he pretended to represent died months earlier.
It is safe to say that by this time the bishops have lost all humility and holiness of their apostolic predecessors; some to this day.
ask again around 3064 ;p
You are welcome! :)
Chapter 15. Bishops and Deacons; Christian Reproof. Appoint, therefore, for yourselves, bishops and deacons worthy of the Lord, men meek, and not lovers of money, and truthful and proved; for they also render to you the service of prophets and teachers.
Appoint for yourselves? Who said that? No way to know & the The Didache didn’t make it into the canon. Is it any wonder why?
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