The Jewishness of Mary

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//jewishmary.htm ^ | unknown | By Sr. M. Danielle Peters U-Dayton

[ladyinred]

Thanks for the great links!

[ladyinred]

Are you having chemo? So am I. I will add you to my prayers!

[GoLightly]

Yes, thanx & ditto.

[OLD REGGIE]

Again 16 year old Mary’s faith was Great ...Her inquiry did not, I submit, suggest reluctance or hesitation on her part but a lack of the deeper understand and knowlege (possessed by Zechariah)..

I don't doubt for one second the depth of Mary's faith and willingness to do the Lord's bidding.

I simply empathize with the poor old geezer for asking a simple question, not a lack of faith but a reasonable question. It would be similar to an Angel telling Billy Graham he and his wife would conceive a child.

When you are also an old geezer well past your prime you may understand. :-)

[Patriotic1]

You judge others by yourself. I’d rather look to Pope B16 as to what is possible with God in the twilight of one’s years.

[OLD REGGIE]

You judge others by yourself. I’d rather look to Pope B16 as to what is possible with God in the twilight of one’s years.

Lighten up. Do you know what :-) means?

[Ciexyz]

Mary is worthy of praise for her obedience and trust in the Lord.

[fortheDeclaration]

Checking out some of your old posts.

Someone who thinks he knows how the Bible should really be translated!

LOL!

Ruth lived here....in the Israelite section of the Plains of Moab. She was either a Ruebenite....or a Gadite....but she was definitely an Israelite. I realize that the King James calls her a Moabitish women [Ruth 2:6] and it is a bad translation. Here is why. When the servant of Boaz says she came from the country of Moab it is meant....as the countryside of Moab. Here is the Hebrew word that the servant uses: Strong's #7704. sadeh (saw-deh')or saday {saw-dah'-ee}; from an unused root meaning to spread out; a field (as flatcountry, field, ground, land, soil, X wild. ) i.e. the plains of Moab. If the Holy Spirit meant "The Kingdom of Moab" He would have inspired Samuel to write "Kingdom".

[Diego1618]

Someone who thinks he knows how the Bible should really be translated!

So, then it is your opinion that Ruth was from these people: [Deuteronomy 23:3] An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever.

Again, your Catholic/Protestant background entraps you into disparaging the Word of God. Do you really believe that Naomi and Boaz would not be aware of this admonition from The Eternal God?

[fortheDeclaration]

[Someone who thinks he knows how the Bible should really be translated!]

So, then it is your opinion that Ruth was from these people: [Deuteronomy 23:3] An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever. Again, your Catholic/Protestant background entraps you into disparaging the Word of God. Do you really believe that Naomi and Boaz would not be aware of this admonition from The Eternal God?

So, Ruth converted to the God of Israel.

By converting she then became a Jew and was no longer viewed by God as a Moabite.

The Bible is very clear that she was a Moabite and her sister-in-law went back to those false gods.

But my argument wasn't over that, it was your arrogrance in thinking you can retranslate based on an interliner and Strongs when you cannot even read the language.

Let a foreign speaking person who cannot read English, do that with Shakespeare.

He would be considered insane.

[Diego1618]

Ruth was not a Moabite. Ruth was an Israelite! I realize that your false church teaches she was a heathen Moabitess. They do this in an attempt to put a "touchy feely" aspect to the genealogy of our Saviour. They are wrong on this as well as most everything else they believe and unfortunately ....teach.

Ruth did not have to convert to the God of Israel....He was already her God.

The Bible is very clear that she was a Moabite and her sister-in-law went back to those false gods.

Every time you post something you display your ignorance of God's plan. This is normal for Baptists, Catholics and Protestants.

[fortheDeclaration]

Ruth was not a Moabite. Ruth was an Israelite! I realize that your false church teaches she was a heathen Moabitess. They do this in an attempt to put a "touchy feely" aspect to the genealogy of our Saviour. They are wrong on this as well as most everything else they believe and unfortunately ....teach. Ruth did not have to convert to the God of Israel....He was already her God.

[ The Bible is very clear that she was a Moabite and her sister-in-law went back to those false gods. ]

Every time you post something you display your ignorance of God's plan. This is normal for Baptists, Catholics and Protestants.

Really?

And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

15 And she said, Behold, thy sister in law is gone back unto her people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law. 16 And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B08C001.htm

Now, since you seem to have your own personal private religion, why don't you tell us what you think is the plan of God.

Maybe you could put that in with the new revised, improved bible you are going to print.

[MHGinTN]

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[onedoug]

Ein Sof.

[Diego1618]

[ The Bible is very clear that she was a Moabite and her sister-in-law went back to those false gods. ]

No....the Bible is very clear about this: [Ruth 1:4] And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

If you knew anything about Biblical history you would know that Moses took this land from the Ammorites [Deuteronomy 2:32-34] who had previously taken it from the Moabites [Numbers 21:26]. You would also know that the tribes of Rueben and Gad had asked for this land....east of the Jordan because it was good land for cattle [Numbers 32:1-4] and it was thereafter referred to in scripture as "The Plains of Moab".

When Naomi and family went to Moab to escape the drought in Judah....this is where they went [Ruth 1:1] and notice, this event took place during the time when the Judges ruled Israel. They really would not have any reason to go to Heathen Moab....would they? I mean if the brother tribes, Rueben and Gad controlled the vast agricultural "Plains of Moab" and it was during a great drought.....why would they want to go to a Heathen Nation? No, they went to "The Plains of Moab" [Numbers 22:1].

When Boaz asks of his servant [Ruth 2:5] Then said Boaz unto his servant that was set over the reapers, Whose damsel is this? He is then told: [Ruth 2:6] And the servant that was set over the reapers answered and said, It is the Moabitish damsel that came back with Naomi out of the country of Moab. Well....let's see what the Hebrew calls the country of Moab. Understand now that this is the same Plains of Moab that Moses had taken from the Ammorites. Strong's #7704. (Country) sadeh (saw-deh')or saday {saw-dah'-ee}; from an unused root meaning to spread out; a field (as flat)country, field, ground, land, soil, X wild.

So, when Samuel wrote the book of Ruth he referred to the "Country of Moab" much in the same way he would say.... "Let's go to the country on a picnic!" He did not mean the Nation of Moab....or he would have said "Kingdom". The Moab that Ruth resided in was the Moab belonging to the two tribes of Gad and Rueben.

Now....let's talk about those heathen gods you seem to think Ruth worshiped.

[Ruth 1:15] And she said, Behold, thy sister in law is gone back unto her people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law. And, of course this famous passage: [Ruth 1:16-17] And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me.

Now....here is something most folks have not taken the time to investigate. What does the word God actually mean here in the Hebrew? Strong's #430: (Elohim) gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative, angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

Remember the first line in the Book of Ruth.....when the Judges ruled?

Well....now you have learned that Ruth was an Israelite. You have also learned that she was referring to the judges that ruled in Israel....not some heathen god which is a figment of your imagination. Do you actually think that Our Lord had a Heathen Moabite in his lineage when God went out of his way to kill the heathen sons of Judah in [Genesis 38:1-10] to prevent just that from happening?

This is mostly Catholic inspired doctrine to try and sully the genealogy of Our Lord. Unfortunately, the KJV translators did not know any better.

Oh....I almost forgot. When Ruth refers to The Lord in [Ruth 1:17] Samuel records her as using this word: Strong's #3068. Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw')(the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God. If Ruth had been a heathen Moabite woman Samuel would not have recorded her using this word for God......because: [Exodus 6:3] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Here is Moses being told the real name of The Lord. Even Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not know it....and a heathen Moabitess women would not have known it either. It was God's name given to the Israelites and Ruth happened to be one of them!

Everyone look at their Bible maps and they will see that the Kingdom of Moab, after the time of Moses.....existed below the river Arnon....east of the Dead Sea. The Plains of Moab were to the north.....east of Jericho, the River Jordan and in Gilead. This is where Ruth lived. The tribes of Gad and Rueben had been given this land.

[Ping-Pong]

Now, since you seem to have your own personal private religion, why don't you tell us what you think is the plan of God.....Maybe you could put that in with the new revised, improved bible you are going to print.

FTD, do you remember several posts back I told you that when Diego speaks I take notes (E.F. Hutton). Now, after reading this post, you know why.

So, instead of making childish remarks, like above, perhaps you should get out paper and pencil. There is much to learn for all of us and I don't think many churches teach it.

Thank you Diego for a great history lesson.

[William Terrell]

A mere "good points" doesn't seem to do this post justice.

[fortheDeclaration]

FTD, do you remember several posts back I told you that when Diego speaks I take notes (E.F. Hutton). Now, after reading this post, you know why. So, instead of making childish remarks, like above, perhaps you should get out paper and pencil. There is much to learn for all of us and I don't think many churches teach it. Thank you Diego for a great history lesson.

Actually, I think Diego may be the top heretic on FR. (which is saying alot)

I haven't seen one poster be so wrong on so many things.

A modern day Origen.