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1 posted on 06/14/2007 8:25:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
Plenty of people laughed at Popes and made fun of them (like Dante quite famously did) long before the virulent anti-Semite Martin Luther joined the fun.

One thing Marty did not brook, however, was laughter at himself. He hated that even more than he hated Jews.

2 posted on 06/14/2007 8:29:39 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is all America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: Alex Murphy
Following is Swedenborg's take on Luther's afterlife. Sounds like he's having a wonderful time -- and would feel right at home on FR's Religion Forum!

There are places where people argue about religious matters. Their arguing sounds, from outside those places, like the gnashing of teeth, and when they are viewed within it appears as though they are tearing each other's clothes apart, while their atmosphere causes pain to the flesh of the teeth and the gums. A man came to me from one of those places, dressed at first like a monk, and he told me he was Luther. He also spoke with me, saying that he likes to be among the kind of people who argue over what is to be believed, because he has with him from the world a persuasive speech and authority as a result of the consent accorded him by many in his own time. I noticed that he had a communication with those who believe that they know everything and that nothing at all is hidden from them, and who do not wish to learn but to teach, saying often this or that is the absolute truth and cannot be contradicted. Such people take away from others all freedom of speech, by imposing their own opinions as if they were from God, and by assailing all who contradict them, unless it is for the sake of being instructed.

Luther said that he loves to reason about faith and also about the good of charity, but that he rarely finds people with whom he can enjoy this delight. The reason is that he hatched that doctrine out of his own thinking and he is therefore conversant with the connection of the arguments. Not so those who only learn the doctrine and afterward confirm it. They cannot share in the same delight, because they are not so conversant with the connection of the arguments. Luther said that they do not long endure the ardor of his speaking, but withdraw.

4 posted on 06/14/2007 8:51:58 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("Heaven is the only basis for our continued existence".)
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13 posted on 06/14/2007 10:04:50 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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In Reformation jargon, that is justification by faith through grace . . .

Actually, it's "justification by grace through faith." The difference may seem small, but it is not.

46 posted on 06/14/2007 8:18:43 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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