Posted on 06/11/2007 8:11:53 PM PDT by markomalley
I’m glad you have that reflex, dear brother in Christ! Thank you again!
I'm looking for deeply spiritual people that will take the time to ask questions, etc.
You're being here is appreciated!
As Alex will testify, I posted some unbelievable claims last August. I will need prayers for the Lord's wisdom that now is the time and I am to remain talking.
From TCR: THIS SECOND COMING OF THE LORD IS EFFECTED BY MEANS OF A MAN TO WHOM THE LORD HAS MANIFESTED HIMSELF IN PERSON, AND WHOM HE HAS FILLED WITH HIS SPIRIT, THAT HE MAY TEACH THE DOCTRINES OF THE NEW CHURCH FROM THE LORD BY MEANS OF THE WORD.
The Church when It as established took that to mean Swedenborg was talking about himself. He wasn't. If the Church were to have believed that The Lord would manifest Himself in the flesh through them, they would have been corrupted.
I've been shown Chapter 12 quite vividly. Swedenborg wrote of it:
It treats here of the New Church and its doctrine: by "the woman" is here meant the New Church, and by "the offspring" which she brought forth, its doctrine: and it also treats of those in the present church, who from doctrine believe in a Trinity of Persons, and in the duality of the Person of Christ, likewise in justification by faith alone; these are meant by "the dragon." Then it treats of the persecution of the New Church by these, on account of its doctrine, and its protection by the Lord, until from a few it increases among many.
I never got into the millennium debates -- never chose a side. It's only now that I have a 'horse in the race'.
Rev. 20:5 (AR):
Verse 5. "And the rest of the dead lived not again, until the thousand years were finished," signifies that besides these, now spoken of, none were taken up into heaven, till after the dragon was loosed, and that they were then proved and explored as to their quality (n. 850). "This is the first resurrection," signifies that salvation and life eternal primarily consist in worshiping the Lord and living according to His commandments in the Word, because by them conjunction is effected with the Lord and consociation with the angels of heaven (n. 851).
Rev 20:15 (AR):
Verse 15. "And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire," signifies that they who had not lived according to the Lord's commandments in the Word, and had not believed in the Lord, were condemned (n. 874).
You can certainly explore around to draw your own understanding. Believe me, there were many times in my life when I doubted Swedenborg but that was just my own perception at that time. Now that time is to end and eternity will be seen, things are quite a bit clearer.
10. Based on such flimsy evidence as you have, what is your real reason for slighting the Mother of GOD? Aren’t you judging her? Aren’t you calumnizing her?
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No. That would be what the RC edifice does to her—likely to her outrage—if such is part of Heaven.
And based on exceedingly flimsy evidence—more flimsy than fog.
imho and experience . . .
Holy Spirit registers His Peace on us in varying ways and degrees.
He is long term in the process of teaching us to hear His still small voice.
But He also uses emotions, spiritual sensings, speaks directly to our hearts/minds . . .
Of course, obedience increases hearing capacities.
Have typically been likened to Jeremiah most of my life by those closer to me.
I may be more familiar with him than you dare think.
I don’t know of a Scripture that would explicitly satisfy your criteria. The pastoral exhortation to me long ago was an extrapolation, inference—probably from one or all the following Scriptures.
I realize the following Scriptures will likely tweak up your . . . disgusted, dismayed, indignant, outraged exhortations to me.
BTW, thanks for your diagnosis of grossly selfish narcissism. That should be worth quite a bit of smug RC applause.
And I’d thought you’d had more understanding about me. No doubt I’m the flawed wrong one of the two of us.
Romans 14:19
Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
2 Timothy 2:22
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
# Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
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I still don’t have loving like Jesus down very thoroughly. Following after peace for me is still quite a stretch. Nevertheless, I still believe it to be a worthy guideline.
bump for a later read
I looked at some of your August posts and the following was the most telling:
I wasn't joking. I believe that I am the Messiah.
Do you still believe this?
Isa 42
1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. 4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law."
The Islamics are expecting a mortal “Messiah” – the twelfth imam. The Hindus look for Krishna. The Jews are looking for the Messiah to come like a “lion” and to rule as king, righteously and eternally. The Christians look for Christ to return in power from the heavens – which is to say, not merely as a spiritually enlightened mortal:
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. – Luke 21:27
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. – Acts 1:9-11
End time prophesy in Scriptures warns us against false Christs and the one world religion. Moreover, Scriptures warn the one world religion will happen right before Christ’s return, visibly and in power. (Revelation 13)
Nevertheless, because I love God and trust Him, I know that would mean Christ is coming very soon indeed and thus I say Maranatha, Jesus!
A few comments on spirituality:
It is not unusual for brothers and sisters in Christ to experience Spiritual revelations, have dream or visions. Indeed, we all have had at least one divine revelation, i.e. that Jesus Christ is Lord. That was when God brought the Truth alive in us that Jesus Christ is God enfleshed, that He died on the Cross for our sins, resurrected and sits at the right hand of God the Father in heaven.
And it is a good thing when we Christians share our testimony and our Spiritual experiences with one another. I have shared some of mine here.
Nevertheless, it would be very dangerous for any of us to take the testimony of another’s spiritual experience – whether revelations, visions, prophesies or dreams - as Truth based on the person's assurance. God reveals Truth.
Edgar Cayce, for instance, was no doubt having mystic experiences which were astonishing to many. But that does not mean that Edgar Cayce was a prophet – or that the spirits with whom he was speaking were not evil. Quite to the contrary. Later in his life, his ‘spirit guide’ said that Jesus Christ is not Lord.
That is the first test to be applied to any speaker and his message – whether a mortal or not:
Love God absolutely, surpassingly above all else. Believe Him. Trust Him.
Can we meet halfway with a diagnosis of "tendency to refer"?
I wasn't talking about you when I mentioned narcissism in that post. I was thinking of a guy I knew in Mississippi and a lady in Virginia -- and a few others, but not you.
I have no opinion about your familiarity with Jeremiah and now I wonder what I wrote that would suggest I DID have an opinion about you and he.
Yeah, you're right about the excerpts not satisfying my rigorous criteria because they don't address the distinction I'm drawing.
I'm STILL arguing -- not against you, and without a trace of even a minimal guffaw or a twisting of a charismatic term -- but against a point of view, an opinion. It MAY be evidence of the peril I maintain lies in this opinion that my disagreement with it and my observations concerning many who hold it are taken as personal attacks. Nevertheless it distresses me that you think I"m attacking you.
I still don’t have loving like Jesus down very thoroughly.
That would make two of us.
Thanks for the . . . clarification.
Happy to be wrong in many situations.
Thanks for an excellent response.
At least it seems that the aversion I’ve felt in my spirit was well founded. Some postulations are so extremely beyond the Biblical boundaries . . .
Of course you are
invited to
GTTM—Guffaw To The Max
in my direction . . . any time you feel it fitting.
For quite some time, some 25 years, I've dealt with the Messiah visions from the Lord. Slowly He taught me everything I need to know about what spirituality and this talk was all about.
It led me in and out of mental hospitals and even to a suicide attempt 20 years ago next month (I use a wheelchair on account of that). I'm now 50 years old and have sat on this a long tome < smile >
Regarding clouds, the standard network symbol for the Internet is a cloud.
As for false prophets, I've learned how to discern who is walking with God and who is not.
I received some quotes today:
To receive order into one's self is to be saved, and this is effected solely by living according to the Lord's commandments. Man is regenerated to the end that he may receive into himself the order of heaven, and he is regenerated by means of faith and the life of faith, which is charity. He who has order in himself is in heaven, and also is heaven in a certain image; but he who has it not is in hell, and is hell in a certain image. AC 10659.4
[I]t is plain that the interiors and the exteriors of man, that is, what is rational, natural, and sensuous in him must be brought into correspondence, in order that he may receive the Divine influx, and consequently that he may be born again; and that it is not well with him till then. AC 5131.3
The Lord alone has what is His Own; by this Own He redeemed man, and by this Own He saves him. The Lord's Own is Life, and from His Own, man's Own, which in itself is dead, is made alive. AC 149
I refuse to compel anyone to believe me in a way which would do violence to the beginnings of real acceptance.
I will say that regarding your vision about the cross and the light, I have a reading lamp on my desk and under it is a gray cross my wife gave me. It's sitting on a little notepad with the title 'HIRED MAN' our handyman gave us. My ashtray is on the file cabinet below and I suppose when I look at it, I seems like bubbles. Burnt offerings come to mind. Behind the ashtray is chewing gum for when I decide to quit.
Several years ago, a friend and I were watching a movie.. Glenn Miller's Orchestra Wives'. She's very spiritual and has been though many of the same experiences I had. There's a scene in the movie when the band plays 'At Last' in front of an audience. At the end, Theresa screamed at the top of her lungs... a high C I think for almost a minute and was staring at my face. She got up and hugged me tight for a long while. We talked and she said she saw that I was Jesus. I asked her to keep quiet about it. It was a very emotional evening. Last night I was listening to last Saturday's wedding audio from our cathedral. When the minister pronounced them man and wife, I received a ping at the same time from FR. Check out the posters and taglines on the thread At Last, the iPhone. - A first look at the most eagerly anticipated gizmo ever.
For your sake, I hope you are not the false prophet of Revelation or the Maitreya. And I pray you are released from the vision that you are the Messiah.
In my journey, I've learned some Eastern meditation techniques. They are relaxing while I read and I've learned syncronicity between the spiritual and natural worlds. It's very suble and is right in front of you. As for your prayers, thanks. The vision has become reality.
Thanks for the Scripture references. I'll study them with the Writings.
Blessings,
Bible Codes and UFOs will only lead you to FALSE prophets, not the Lord.
What has happened to you is not unusual as you have followed a false prophet instead of following God’s revelation, the bible. Wolves need lambs to eat and destroy. What you need to do, and right away, is get all that Swedenborg stuff out of your house. You have drawn spiritual entities to yourself that mean you harm. Your suicide attempt was their influence, they want you dead. There are some pastors here who can help you. We’ll pray for you.
Excellent points and suggestions.
Contacting & submitting to the nearest bona fide Spirit-filled deliverance ministry with a good balanced Biblical track record would also be wise.
I am not Jesus Christ 'Son of God'. Check the NT passages where 'Son of Man' is referenced.
As for suicide, Swedemborg tells us that we are associated with good and evil spirits. The evil spirits could harm me then but not now. I'm going to Church and associating with people who are not Swedenborgian. Getting along fine.
As for 'getting it out of my house' that's what the evils would want me to do. Besides, all of his Writings are on the web at: http://www.smallcanonsearch.com/">
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