Posted on 06/11/2007 8:11:53 PM PDT by markomalley
CHURCH GREW IN UNDERSTANDING OF MARYS ROLE |
Pope John Paul II |
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Down the centuries, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Church has sought to understand more clearly the revealed truth about the Mother of God "The sparse information on Mary's earthly life is compensated by its quality and theological richness, which contemporary exegesis has carefully brought to light", the Holy Father said at the General Audience of Wednesday, 8 November, as he continued his reflections on the Virgin Mary. The Pope's catechesis on Mary in Sacred Scripture and theological reflection was the fourth in the series on the Blessed Mother and was given in Italian. 1. In our preceding catecheses we saw how the doctrine of Mary's motherhood passed from its first formula, "Mother of Jesus", to the more complete and explicit, "Mother of God", even to the affirmation of her maternal involvement in the redemption of humanity. For other aspects of Marian doctrine as well, many centuries were necessary to arrive at the explicit definition of the revealed truths concerning Mary. Typical examples of this faith journey towards the ever deeper discovery of Mary's role in the history of salvation are the dogma of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, proclaimed, as we know by two of my venerable predecessors, respectively, the Servant of God Pius IX in 1854, and the Servant of God Pius XII during the Jubilee Year of 1950.
Mariology is a particular field of theological research: in it the Christian people's love for Mary intuited, frequently in anticipation, certain aspects of the mystery of the Blessed Virgin, calling the attention of theologians and pastors to them. Mother of Jesus had role in salvation history 2. We must recognize that, at first sight, the Gospels offer scant information on the person and life of Mary. We would certainly like to have had fuller information about her, which would have enabled us to know the Mother of God better. This expectation remains unsatisfied, even in the other New Testament writings where an explicit doctrinal development regarding Mary is lacking. Even St Paul's letters, which offer us a rich reflection on Christ and his work, limit themselves to stating, in a very significant passage, that God sent his Son "born of woman" (Gal 4:4). Very little is said about Mary's family. If we exclude the infancy narratives, in the Synoptic Gospels we find only two statements which shed some light on Mary: one concerning the attempt by his "brethren" or relatives to take Jesus back to Nazareth (cf. Mk 3:2 1; Mt 12:48); the other, in response to a woman's exclamation about the blessedness of Jesus' Mother (Lk 11:27).
Nevertheless, Luke, in the infancy Gospel, in the episodes of the Annunciation, the Visitation, the birth of Jesus, the presentation of the Child in the temple and his finding among the teachers at the age of 12, not only provides us with some important facts, but presents a sort of "proto-Mariology" of fundamental interest. His information is indirectly completed by Matthew in the account of the annunciation to Joseph (Mt 1:18-25), but only with regard to the virginal conception of Jesus. Moreover, John's Gospel deepens our knowledge of the value for salvation history of the role played by the Mother of Jesus, when it records her presence at the beginning and end of his public fife. Particularly significant is Mary's presence at the Cross, when she received from her dying Son the charge to be mother to the beloved disciple and, in him, to all Christians (cf. Jn 2:1-12; Jn 19:25-27). Lastly, the Acts of the Apostles expressly numbers the Mother of Jesus among the women of the first community awaiting Pentecost (cf. Acts 1:14). However, in the absence of further New Testament evidence and reliable historical sources, we know nothing of Mary's life after the Pentecost event nor of the date and circumstances of her death. We can only suppose that she continued to live with the Apostle John and that she was very closely involved in the development of the first Christian community. 3. The sparse information on Mary's earthly life is compensated by its quality and theological richness, which contemporary exegesis has carefully brought to light. Moreover, we must remember that the Evangelists' viewpoint is totally Christological and is concerned with the Mother only in relation to the joyful proclamation of the Son. As St Ambrose observed, the Evangelist, in expounding the mystery of the Incarnation, "believed it was better not to seek further testimonies about Mary's virginity, in order not to seem the defender of the Virgin rather than the preacher of the mystery" (Exp. in Lucam, 2, 6: PL 15, 1555).
We can recognize in this fact a special intention of the Holy Spirit, who desired to awaken in the Church an effort of research which, preserving the centrality of the mystery of Christ, might not be caught up in details about Mary's life, but aim above all at discovering her role in the work of salvation, her personal holiness and her maternal mission in Christian life. Faith of the simple recognized Mary's holiness 4. The Holy Spirit guides the Church's effort, committing her to take on Mary's own attitudes. In the account of Jesus' birth, Luke noted how his mother kept all these things, "pondering them in her heart" (Lk 2:19), striving, that is, to "put together" (symballousa), in a deeper vision, all the events of which she was the privileged witness. Similarly, the people of God are also urged by the same Spirit to understand deeply all that has been said about Mary, in order to progress in the knowledge of her mission, intimately linked to the mystery of Christ.
As Mariology develops, the particular role of the Christian people emerges. They co-operate, by the affirmation and witness of their faith, in the progress of Marian doctrine, which normally is not only the work of theologians, even if their task is indispensable to deepening and clearly explaining the datum of faith and the Christian experience itself. The faith of the simple is admired and praised by Jesus, who recognized in it a marvellous expression of the Father's benevolence (cf. Mt 11:25; Lk 10:21). Down the centuries it continues to proclaim the marvels of the history of salvation, hidden from the wise. This faith, in harmony with the Virgin's simplicity, has led to progress in the recognition of her personal holiness and the transcendent value of her motherhood. The mystery of Mary commits every Christian, in communion with the Church, "to pondering in his heart" what the Gospel revelation affirms about the Mother of Christ. In the logic of the Magnificat, after the example of Mary, each one will personally experience God's love and will discover a sign of God's tenderness for man in the marvels wrought by the Blessed Trinity in the woman "full of grace". |
The Bible is pretty clear that Jesus had brothers, but that is heresy to Catholics.
Not my construction on reality.
Appears to me that down through the centuries, it repeatedly became politically profitable to up the ante a bit more about Mary.
Absolutely.
And the semantics rationalization just does not wash.
They would have it that the authors only had use of one word that meant two things about relatives. That’s nonsense.
Why in the world would that be heresy to Catholics?
Ever read the Protoevangelium of James? Yes, I know it's not part of the Canon and, so, I don't assert it as a scriptural source (rather an early non-canonical source that reflects the views of, at least, some of the Church in the second century AD -- that's a couple of centuries before Constantine for the conspiracy theorists in the audience)
Anyway, if you haven't, you can Google it yourself. If you read that, you'll find a potential explanation contained therein that is totally consistent with scripture (what is actually written there, not the explanations given by you and your teachers). If, in fact, it is correct in its explanation, it shows how the term "brothers of Jesus" could be applied AND also demonstrates the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Mother.
Heresy to Catholics? Hardly. Only a point of salivation for a Protestant.
Oh, Q, you shouldn’t blame the Latins for Marian devotion. Its 100% Eastern in origin. In other words, blame us Orthodoxers! By the way, no one in my family ever profited politically from our devotion to the Most Holy Theotokos...but we have spiritually! :)
Why don’t you just explain it in your own words, instead of pointing someone to Google? Three to five sentences. Go.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee.
Blessed art Thou among women
And Blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God
Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Amen
There's way too much detail in the document for me to explain, other than doing a cut and paste job.
Three to five sentences. Go.
Try two: the document advances the theory that Joseph was a widower prior to his espousal to Mary. "Brothers" would have been the result of that previous union.
This is not part of the explanation, but is a reminder: this document is not part of the Canon of Scripture. So you will note that I am not advancing it as truth, but rather as a plausible theory...one which was held by many in the second century.
That's pretty magnanimous of you, since it's a forgery and was written at least 100 years after the end of the Apostolic Era.
Gee, thanks.
Since you (sarcastically) accuse me of magnanimity, let's review what I wrote initially:
Ever read the Protoevangelium of James? Yes, I know it's not part of the Canon and, so, I don't assert it as a scriptural source (rather an early non-canonical source that reflects the views of, at least, some of the Church (for those of you in Rio Linda, the prior phrase implicitly disassociates itself with an authorship of James the Lesser, and asserts that the document reflects the views of some...rather than the views of an apostle) in the second century AD (For those of you in Rio Linda, the second century incorporates the time that the respondent refers to as 'at least 100 years after the end of the Apostolic Era')-- that's a couple of centuries before Constantine for the conspiracy theorists in the audience)
In other words, you should really make an effort to read and comprehend what was written before slamming it. You'll generally not embarrass yourself so badly if you do so.
"The faith of the simple" is not so admired by the Catholic Church (and especially the late JPII) when it comes to evolutionism and Biblical inerrancy.
It really comes down to an issue of authority. Those Catholics who are forthright enough to admit that the Roman Catholic Church was in fact in dire need of reform in the 16th Century typically reject Luther's actions and the subsequent Reformation by arguing he and the other Reformers did not have the authority to do what they did.
Your welcome.
If you want to consider discredited forgeries that's up to you.
Oh, but I do.
Let me explain to you exactly why and how I consider these "discredited forgeries."
As a caveat, I don't hope to change your mind, wmfights, one way or the other. I'm a papist and I know my place among my betters. But I also realize that there are other people who read these threads and never contribute. Perhaps some of them might get some value from this explanation:
First, let's see what we both agree to: that the document was written in the Second Century AD. I understand it's from around 150 AD. You say 'at least 100 years after the close of the Apostolic Era,' which would place it a couple of decades later than that. OK, whichever. The point that we both agree on is that it was written before 200 AD.
The easiest way for me to show the utility of apocryphal documents like this is through example:
There is a widely-accepted Protestant school of thought that says that Mary had sexual relations with Joseph after the birth of Jesus; that she was only a virgin when she conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit (for what it's worth, I've met Protestants who hold the heretical belief that Jesus was the genetic product of Mary and Joseph and that he is only 'spiritually' the Son of God). A subset of this widely-accepted Protestant school of thought is that the dogma of the perpetual virginity of Mary was an invention of a paganized Rome and that no early Christian group actually believed this. Alexander Hislop advanced this idea with his book, The Two Babylons. I am not saying if you are part of the latter group or not...if you are, great. If not, all the better.
This apocryphal document goes into rather gory detail about the midwife Salome verifying Mary's intact hymen after the birth of Jesus. As Free Republic is a family board, I'll spare all the details how she did that. And, as we both agree that the Protoevangelium of James is an apocryphal document, I would hardly stake my life (or my soul) on whether that actually happened or not, but it's really not important one way or the other. What is important about it is this: that some people believed that she was perpetually a virgin. And those people who believed this were around during the second century AD. Considering that this was two centuries prior to Constantine's reign, the mere fact that this was written, whether it is a factual story or a made-up story debunks the idea that Mary's perpetual virginity was invented by a paganized, post-Nicene, Catholic Church. The idea was around long before the Roman Empire was even close to tolerating Christianity, much less giving it official sanction.
The other important part to consider is this: this story is either documentation of 'oral history' or is, to one degree or another, fiction. One of the two.
The bottom line is that even though this is apocryphal literature and is definitely a pseudograph, there's still a lot that one can glean from it. Most importantly, an understanding of what was believed by, at least, some of the people at the time.
(BTW, I'm pinging some other folks because I think they'd be interested in reading this, not to get folks to gang up on you or anything)
Thanks so much.
Thanks for that. I believe somewhere on some dusty bookshelf I have the proto — uh what you said. Now I’ll go read it.
I think your analysis seems sound in the provisional realm in which you rightly put it.
Are there Catholics NOT forthright enough to admit that the Church was a mess in the late 15th and early 16th centuries? You know they canonized Pius V on account of internal reforms (and his piety of life, etc.). It's hard to do internal reforms unless what is needed is, uh, internal reforms.
And I guess I don't get the "Oh my goodness!" side of your remark about us and Luther. He didn't have the authority. He said WE didn't, we said HE didn't. That's remarkable?
Or am I just miles away from what you're saying. Wouldn't be the first time. If so, sorry.
I do think you missed the jist of my comments. I've encountered some Roman Catholics who are so zealous to defend their church that they turn a blind eye to the parts of the past they don't find comfortable. To be sure, there are many Protestants today that also hold a revisionist view of church history for the sake of expediency in discussions such as this.
My point though was that the central issue that continues to stand between Roman Catholics and Protestants is that of authority. It underlies even the fundamental division over justification, and it stands as a roadblock to virtually every doctrinal disagreement we have. You and I can argue vehemently over the meaning of a passage of Scripture, but when it comes down to it you will appeal to an authority I don't recognize: the Roman Catholic Church. The argument then becomes about the validity of that authority, and any appeal to Scripture either loops into a self-reinforcing argument or undermines the very authority trying to be established.
Luther's actions truly cut to the heart of the matter, as is evidenced by his request to be convinced by Scripture and plain reason. The authority issue is truly the card upon which the whole card house is built.
Information is irrelevant. Content eventually overwhelms the message and everything comes preinterpreted. I don't follow links in lieu of explanation and don't believe anybody else can possibly represent my opinion. When somebody says read this it explains what I mean, I know it doesn't.
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