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Thank God For the Magisterium
NCR ^ | June 10, 2007 | Mark Shea

Posted on 06/10/2007 3:02:20 PM PDT by NYer

Many modern people have the notion that the principal mission of the Catholic Church is to impose belief on unbelievers. The reality is that most of its time is spent trying to restrain belief in everything from spoon-bending to the aliens who allegedly speak to us through a cat in Poughkeepsie.

The riptides and cross-currents of religious enthusiasm in American culture are kaleidoscopic and dizzying. Cradle Catholics can be forgiven for just ignoring the whole thing and many of them do. But it’s still worth taking into account because some religious trends can have decided real-world effects.

Some of the effects of unrestrained belief can be amusing.

For instance, after five centuries of being told by Protestant polemicists that we “Romanists” do not trust the saving grace of Jesus Christ and ignorantly seek salvation by the works of the law, it is a weird thing for a Catholic to see the spectacle of kooky apocalyptic Protestants eagerly excited about the birth of red heifers because this will (they hope) be the prelude to rebuilding the Temple of Solomon and the re-institution of the Mosaic sacrificial system. Just how that Temple will be rebuilt when the Dome of the Rock is situated on the site of the Temple is not quite as clearly worked out.

Which brings me to something just as kooky, but less amusing.

Recently, James Dobson, a leading Evangelical and a usually sensible man, hosted on his show one Joel Rosenberg, author of something called Epicenter: Why Current Rumblings in the Middle East Will Change Your Future. Rosenberg claims to know “what the Bible says” about what is happening in the Mideast and is not shy about making “predictions regarding the fate of the Middle East regarding issues such as Iran’s nuclear threats against Israel, the arms race and ultimately ... Armageddon.” Here’s a snippet:

Dobson: “Well, Joel, let’s explain to everybody how Ezekiel 38 turns out, because Israel is about to be attacked, and a huge number of troops from Russia and Iran are coming toward Israel to destroy it, and what happens?”

Rosenberg: “Well, God is going to move. You won’t find in the Scriptures that the United States is coming to rescue Israel or the European Union, but God says he is going to supernaturally intervene — we’re talking about fire from heaven, a massive earthquake, diseases spreading through the enemy forces. It is going to be such a clear judgment against the enemies of Israel that Ezekiel 39 says that it will take seven months to bury all the bodies of the slain enemies of Israel. “

Such standard-issue Evangelical prophetic cocksureness is an excellent example of why a magisterium is so useful and necessary.

Not only does the magisterium help us know what is essential to the faith, it also helps us remain free of what is unessential. For the various species of Protestantism, in addition to denying real biblical truths such as the Real Presence or infant baptism, also have a tendency to invent “biblical truths” that do not exist and impose them by means of a sort of cultural pressure via charismatic preachers with pet theories who, in their own sphere, are granted an infallibility the Pope could never dream of.

Now, a Catholic is quite free to have a kooky private reading of Ezekiel 38-39 as a prophecy of the “coming resurgent Soviet Union” and its alliance with Muslims, communist Chinese or whoever, all in a vast Cecil B. DeMille battle against Israel. The Church has all sorts of room for eccentrics, and everybody needs a hobby.

But a Catholic is not free to go around telling everybody that “this is the clear teaching of the Bible” and demand it be believed. For the fact is, this kooky theory is emphatically not the clear teaching of the Bible, nor does it have any sanction whatsoever from the Church, the tradition, the Fathers, the councils or the popes. It is a pure novelty we can and should ignore.

What we should not ignore is Rosenberg’s claim that, “Given the events going on in our world today, people at the Pentagon, people at the CIA, people at the White House are asking to sit down and talk about these issues, to understand the Biblical perspective, because it is uncanny what is happening out there and it deserves some study.”

I suspect that Rosenberg is exaggerating his clout with the big cheeses in DC. I doubt that the Pentagon’s intel meetings are dominated by exegeses of Ezekiel 38.

But I do think it matters if a significant portion of the American polity drinks in such bizarre theories as if they were God’s revealed Truth.

Ideas have consequences, especially crazy ones. Most crazy ideas do no harm.

Crazy ideas about the Middle East, backed by the force of arms, stand a better than average chance of killing millions.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bible; catholic; christianity; magisterium; scripture
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To: Quix
Wonderful analysis but I prefer journalistic paragraphing for my aging eyes. Thanks much.

Hey, argue with Chesterton, not with me!

601 posted on 06/14/2007 2:05:48 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Aquinasfan

I don’t think either one of us are going to come remotely close to resolving those issues from our relative perspectives in this life on this forum . . . short of some major miracles.


602 posted on 06/14/2007 2:08:29 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Excellent as usual.

I hope you are working on a book . . . something like . . .

LIFE IN CHRIST FOR THE THINKING CHRISTIAN: Doctrine According to Angel-Gal

LOL but not entirely . . . somewhat seriously worth considering, I think.


603 posted on 06/14/2007 2:10:23 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Mad Dawg

I think that wonderful post I’m going to have to wait and ponder and reply to when I get back home.

Thanks.


604 posted on 06/14/2007 2:13:40 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: trisham

Angora’s? I’m a bit ignorant of such but love weaving.


605 posted on 06/14/2007 2:14:32 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Greg F

I know, those old English f*rts were as bad as Paul that way.

I’m ruthless . . . I put my own paragraphing in for the reader.


606 posted on 06/14/2007 2:16:52 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: trisham

I LOVE Scottish Blackface. They’re rough to shear though woing to being ornery as all get out. That one of the left has been sticking her head through the fence to get at something delicious. And the lamb tore out its ear tag - or either they get notched since momma has a tag and an ear notch in her right ear as well.

Any thanks for the photo. I don’t miss getting up in the sleet to check on them, but I do miss ‘em


607 posted on 06/14/2007 2:18:14 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
You, my friend, are missing something.

If I"mmissing only one thing, that'd be a first.

Sorry for meaningless static then ....

608 posted on 06/14/2007 2:21:21 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Greg F; Quix
Hey, argue with Chesterton, not with me!

Better to pretend you are the editor and throw in paragraph breaks at random intervals. My tired old eyes can't follow those unbroken lines. :-)
609 posted on 06/14/2007 2:45:16 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Sorry for meaningless static then ....

Now you missed the italicizing. I'm afraid there's no hope for you. :-)
610 posted on 06/14/2007 2:49:03 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Quix

The madman's explanation of a thing is always complete, and often in a purely rational sense satisfactory. Or, to speak more strictly, the insane explanation, if not conclusive, is at least unanswerable; this may be observed specially in the two or three commonest kinds of madness.

If a man says (for instance) that men have a conspiracy against him, you cannot dispute it except by saying that all the men deny that they are conspirators; which is exactly what conspirators would do. His explanation covers the facts as much as yours. Or if a man says that he is the rightful King of England, it is no complete answer to say that the existing authorities call him mad; for if he were King of England that might be the wisest thing for the existing authorities to do. Or if a man says that he is Jesus Christ, it is no answer to tell him that the world denies his divinity; for the world denied Christ's.

Nevertheless he is wrong. But if we attempt to trace his error in exact terms, we shall not find it quite so easy as we had supposed. Perhaps the nearest we can get to expressing it is to say this: that his mind moves in a perfect but narrow circle. A small circle is quite as infinite as a large circle; but, though it is quite as infinite, it is not so large. In the same way the insane explanation is quite as complete as the sane one, but it is not so large. A bullet is quite as round as the world, but it is not the world. There is such a thing as a narrow universality; there is such a thing as a small and cramped eternity; you may see it in many modern religions.

Now, speaking quite externally and empirically, we may say that the strongest and most unmistakable mark of madness is this combination between a logical completeness and a spiritual contraction. The lunatic's theory explains a large number of things, but it does not explain them in a large way. I mean that if you or I were dealing with a mind that was growing morbid, we should be chiefly concerned not so much to give it arguments as to give it air, to convince it that there was something cleaner and cooler outside the suffocation of a single argument.

Suppose, for instance, it were the first case that I took as typical; suppose it were the case of a man who accused everybody of conspiring against him. If we could express our deepest feelings of protest and appeal against this obsession, I suppose we should say something like this: "Oh, I admit that you have your case and have it by heart, and that many things do fit into other things as you say. I admit that your explanation explains a great deal; but what a great deal it leaves out! Are there no other stories in the world except yours; and are all men busy with your business?

Suppose we grant the details; perhaps when the man in the street did not seem to see you it was only his cunning; perhaps when the policeman asked you your name it was only because he knew it already. But how much happier you would be if you only knew that these people cared nothing about you! How much larger your life would be if your self could become smaller in it; if you could really look at other men with common curiosity and pleasure; if you could see them walking as they are in their sunny selfishness and their virile indifference! You would begin to be interested in them, because they were not interested in you. You would break out of this tiny and tawdry theatre in which your own little plot is always being played, and you would find yourself under a freer sky, in a street full of splendid strangers." Or suppose it were the second case of madness, that of a man who claims the crown, your impulse would be to answer, "All right! Perhaps you know that you are the King of England; but why do you care? Make one magnificent effort and you will be a human being and look down on all the kings of the earth."

Or it might be the third case, of the madman who called himself Christ. If we said what we felt, we should say, "So you are the Creator and Redeemer of the world: but what a small world it must be! What a little heaven you must inhabit, with angels no bigger than butterflies! How sad it must be to be God; and an inadequate God! Is there really no life fuller and no love more marvellous than yours; and is it really in your small and painful pity that all flesh must put its faith? How much happier you would be, how much more of you there would be, if the hammer of a higher God could smash your small cosmos, scattering the stars like spangles, and leave you in the open, free like other men to look up as well as down!"

611 posted on 06/14/2007 2:54:36 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Greg F

Much better. Thanks. :-)


612 posted on 06/14/2007 3:28:47 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Quix; Aquinasfan; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
Do I believe that faith can contradict reason?

Not if you view them as complementary. One requires both to express the human nature that God intended for each of us....

613 posted on 06/14/2007 4:16:09 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: Petronski; Aquinasfan
Don't you think the very word "Magisterium" has a root meaning that belies an untoward ring of exhaltation, about it?

[Origin: 1490–1500; < L magisterium, equiv. to magister master + -ium -ium]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=magistery

614 posted on 06/14/2007 4:22:12 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Better to pretend you are the editor and throw in paragraph breaks at random intervals. My tired old eyes can't follow those unbroken lines. :-)

When I'm faced with a body of writing, even with paragraph breaks my eyes get boggled or my mind starts to wander around. I've gotten in the habit of highlighting comfy chunks of text & then I read within the highlighted area. It's almost like using ruler with a book.

If I wanna scroll up or down, say to check the author, the highlight remains & I can find my place again.

If I find that my mind has wandered, I can find a safe place to go back to or if it has really wandered, I can go open another window & read something else for awhile. After I drop the window that I've switched over to for a bit, my highlighted area is still highlighted for me, so I can pick up where I left off.

615 posted on 06/14/2007 4:22:35 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Petronski; Aquinasfan
I'm sorry, I forgot the immediately prior verse 8.

[Origin: 1490–1500; < L magisterium, equiv. to magister master + -ium -ium]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=magistery

When Jesus Christ, the Son of God issues a commandment, shouldn't it be heeded? Even if it didn't expressly involve blessing and cursing?

That's always been so frightingly odd, when I view this sect in The Church. I don't mean to "pick," just to... warn.

616 posted on 06/14/2007 4:27:12 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Aquinasfan; All
A few Reasons the Apocrypha are not inspired.
1. Unlike other scriptures , none of the Apocrypha writers claim to be inspired.

2. Unlike the Old Testament , the Apocrypha are no where quoted in the New Testament.

3. The Apocrypha are tainted with errors in time and fact, exposing un-inspiration.

4. The Apocrypha contain fabulous statements which not only contradict the "canonical" scriptures but themselves.

5. The Apocrypha include doctrines at variance with the Bible.

6. The Apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by Jews, the custodians of Hebrew scriptures.

7. Not one of the Apocryphal books was written in Hebrew.

b'shem Yah'shua

617 posted on 06/14/2007 4:33:12 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: betty boop; Quix; Alamo-Girl; .30Carbine
[.. Do I believe that faith can contradict reason? ..]

Good question, I'd say...

Faith is a bridge over troubled waters..
Reason is snorkling equipment.. (Jaws theme)..

618 posted on 06/14/2007 4:43:53 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: GoLightly

I do the same with long text online, highlight a bit and read it, highlight more. The only problem is on brietbart somehow it links through when I highlight a chunk of text, but everywhere else it works fine.


619 posted on 06/14/2007 6:05:48 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Quix
I went round and round with their Milwaukee leadership extensively over a mission team.

I'm surprised they even considered it in the first place.

620 posted on 06/14/2007 6:13:02 PM PDT by GoLightly
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