No pope? Nada?
Maybe it just depends on what the proper definition of "proper" is.
"The "Professio fidei Tridentina", also known as the "Creed of Pope Pius IV", is one of the four authoritative Creeds of the Catholic Church. It was issued on November 13, 1565 by Pope Pius IV in his bull "Iniunctum nobis" under the auspices of the Council of Trent (1545 - 1563). It was subsequently modified slightly after the First Vatican Council (1869 - 1870) to bring it inline with the dogmatic definitions of the Council. The major intent of the Creed was to clearly define the Catholic faith against Protestantism. At one time it was used by Theologians as an oath of loyalty to the Church and to reconcile converts to the Church, but it is rarely used these days....
I also affirm that the power of indulgences was left by Christ in the Church, and that the use of them is most wholesome to Christian people...
Can you do me a favor and show me where in post #461 this statement is contradicted:
“No pope ever approved of the sale of indulgences as a proper act.”
I read your post and no where saw where Pius IV said anything about selling indulgences. He also never said in what you quoted anything about the selling of indulgences being a proper act.
Pius IV was AGAINST the selling of indulgences. He was not against indulgences. My statement, and the one I was responding to, were about the selling of indulgences.
This is from the Council of Trent, in fact: “But desiring that the abuses which have become connected with them, and by reason of which this excellent name of indulgences is blasphemed by the heretics, be amended and corrected it ordains in a general way by the present decree that all evil traffic in them, which has been a most prolific source of abuses among the Christian people, be absolutely abolished.”