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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You wrote:

“”Lie?” I’m working from RCC documents and the writings of RCC apologists.”

Nonsense. Let me demonstrate:

“good works of the faithful.”

Started by Christ IN US.

“It makes human works the basis for justification which merit eternal life.”

The above statement is NOT from either any “RCC documents” nor “the writings of RCC apologists.” It was cut and pasted from an anti-catholic website called Jesus-is-Lord.com and does not represent what the Church teaches. So far, you are 0 for 2. Let’s try again:

“justified, by the good works which he performs”

I have a copy of the Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent. And your Schaff translation seems to be a serious reduction of about ten pages of text. Knowing you as little as I do, I still know you probably just cut and pasted this from an anti-Catholic website. When you post the passage as it actually stands and can list where it really comes from (in Trent) I’ll bother trying to look it up again.

“Justification is the declaration of the righteousness of the believer.”

You got this from Jesus-is-Lord.com as well. Cut and paste. No genuine research, huh? No surprise there.

Notice the citation you posted?:

“(Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma (Rockford: Tan, 1974), pp.254, 264).”

One quote drawn from over ten pages? Ten pages?

I can see right away that the quote you underlined was taken out of context. I’m looking at the page right now. The passage doesn’t even get the words right: “...by works, the good works proceeding from Christian Faith; by justification, the declaration of the righteousness of the Christian before the judgment seat of God.”

The anti-Catholics you borrowed this cut and paste from dropped the previous 4 lines of the text, and dropped the word “Christian” as well. Strange, is it not, that your anti-Catholic buddies don’t want to show you the whole context or actually get the passage right with all of its words?

As I said, we have NEVER taught that men can “earn their right standing before God.” That’s utter nonsense. Anti-Catholics have to create phony renderings of our books to even get close to that.

Thanks for proving my point.


368 posted on 06/02/2007 3:43:06 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998; Religion Moderator
"It makes human works the basis for justification which merit eternal life."

The above statement is NOT from either any "RCC documents" nor "the writings of RCC apologists." It was cut and pasted from an anti-catholic website called Jesus-is-Lord.com

Huh? Are you purposely lying in order to get me in trouble, since we all know JesusisLord.com is not a website permitted on this forum?

Or do you just naively hope that every site which throws light on the RCC is from JesusisLord.com?

If you had actually read the link I provided, you'd see that excerpt was from William Webster's excellent essay found at Monergism.com via ChristianTruth.com.

I'll post it again for your discernment.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC TEACHING ON SALVATION AND JUSTIFICATION

I forgive you.

409 posted on 06/02/2007 9:35:55 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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