Posted on 05/31/2007 8:43:12 AM PDT by NYer
I have read some of Martin’s books, but he is an ex-priest and I do take what he says with a grain of salt. Our diocese exorcist has lead a very long life! Fr. Amorth’s books were great reads, I do recommend them.
~ PRAYER ~
St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle
Be our protection against the wickedness
and snares of the devil;
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host,
by the power of God,
Thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits
who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen
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Explanation of the Prayer of Saint Michael [Father Robert J. Altier]
How The Prayer of St. Michael Came to be Written
THE THREE ARCHANGELS: [St. Michael, St. Gabriel, St. Raphael]
Feast of St. Michael the Archangel
Act of Consecration to St Michael the Archangel (for the Feast of St Michael, September 29)
No one will care, just answer the question.
From the article...
In Father Amorth's appointment book, women outnumber men by three to one. That is perhaps because they are more in tune with the spiritual, says the exorcist, or because they are special targets as the descendants of Eve.
LOL. That's called "covering all bases."
I'm sure that chant may have some little quirks of its own.
Our choirmaster uses the guide to pronunciation in the front of the "Chants of the Church" book - Spence, Charles E., ed., Chants of the Church: Selected Gregorian Chants. (Toledo, Ohio: Gregorian Institute of America, 1953.) It's a very dense 3 pages that explains it all.
The great thing about this book is that it includes (in red) an interlinear translation under the Latin. It is a strictly literal word-for-word translation, which means the English doesn't make sense at first glance, but it sure helps with Latin comprehension! I found a copy of my own on line dirt cheap (it's of interest to nobody but choir singers who do chant).
That is an awesome book (did J. Meade Falkner ever write anything else? and was it as good?)
The grounds are simply in the statement by an old priest in this article. He has performed thousands of exorcisms during his life. He has an intimate knowledge of evil as his speciality. We can believe him or not. I do not intend to experiment with evil and try a few exorcisms and see if he is right or wrong. I take his word for it. That seems reasonable to me.
Biblical grounds - Scripture does not suggest what languages to use for exorcism as far as I know.
Is the name of Jesus spoken in English less powerful than when spoken in Latin?
I think it is the same. The article is about an series of exorcisms and lengthy exorcism prayers using one language over the other. It is not limited to the holy name of Jesus. The exorcism prayers are not a series of Jesus-Jesus-Jesus, until demons depart.
The best answer I have for why it could be more effective is simply related to the diabolic itself. The diabolic is all about destruction, disorder, disunity, disorientation, disequilibrium, and all the opposites to unity or union with God. Latin represents the official language of a unified Church. Therefore Latin is spoken as the Churches language and represents unity versus a diversity of language. Outside of this I think we need to ask the priest.
The problem is Catholicism is a faith with much of its doctrine built on the speculation of men and what sounds "reasonable" or "likely " without a foundation in the word of God
This is not a doctrinal issue, but one of specialist in his field observing results.
You can have my share! I'll stick to Bass or Belhaven . . . used motor oil is not my favorite tipple. But some folks like it . . . < g >
This was my first thought as well. It is not the language that the prayers are spoken in, it is to Whom the the prayers are spoken to.
I also agree with you charitable assesment of Fr. Amorth.
I might just have to steal your tagline....baby #3 is due Decemeber 1st.
I think they put the pigs toward the back of the line...just in case.
I learned “classical Latin” in a classical high school curriculum which changed over (got dumb) in my third year.
I “served” Latin saying “Church Latin” with an old Pastor who was born before Vatican I, I think.
So, pardon me if I get mixed up. There are differences. Classical uses “hard C’s” all the time whereas Church uses the “CH” sound (as in caelum).
What we need is to have the Pope give us the go ahead so we can exercise those Latin muscles again!
I am weeping tears of pure joy! Bless you!
Deus, in nómine tuo salvum me fac,
et virtúte tua age causam meam.
Deus, audi oratiónem meam;
áuribus pércipe verba oris mei.
Nam supérbi insurréxunt contra me, et violénti quasiérunt vitam meam;
non proposuérunt Deum ante óculos suos.
Ecce, Deus ádjuvat me,
óminus susténtat vitam meam.
Retórque malum in adversários meos,
et pro fidelitáte tua déstrue ilos.
Voluntárie sacrificábo tibi,
celebrábo nomen tuum, Dómine, quia bonum est.
Nam ex omni tribulatióne eripuit me,
et inimícos meos confúsos vidit óculos meus.
Glória Patri.
V. Salvum (-am) fac servum tuum (ancillam tuam).
R. Deus meus, sperántem in te.
V. Esto ei, Dómini, turris fortitúdinis.
R. A fácie inimíci.
V. Nihil proficiat inimicus in eo (ea).
R. Et fílius iniquitátis non appónat nocére ei.
V. Mitte ei, Dómine, auxilium de sancto.
R. Et de Sion tuére eum (ea)
V. Dómine, exaudi oratiónem meam.
R. Et clamor meus ad te véniat.
V. Dóminus vobíscum.
R. Et cum spírito tuo.
Orémus Oratio
DEUS, cui próprium est miseréri semper et párcere: súscipe deprecatiónem nostram; ut hunc fámulum tuum, quem (hanc fámulam tuam, quam) delictórum caténa constríngit, miserátio tuæ pietátis cleménter absólvat.
DÓMINE sancte, Pater omnípotens, ætérne Deus, Pater Dómini nostri Jesu Christi, qui illum réfugam tyránnum et apóstatam gehénnae ígnibus deputásti, quique Unigénitum tuum in hunc mundum misísti, ut illum rugiéntem contéret: velóciter atténdem accélera, ut erípias hóminem ad imáginem et similitúdinem tuam creátum, a ruína et dæmónio meridiáno. Da, Dómine, terrórem tuum super béstiam, quæ extérminat vineam tuam. Da fidúciam servis tuis contra nequíssimum dracónem pugnáre fortíssime, ne contémnat sperántes in te, et ne dicat, sicut in Pharaóne, qui jam dixit: Deum non novi, nec Israël dimítto. Urgeat illum déxtera tua potens discédere a fámulo tuo N. (a fámula tua N.) +, ne diútius præsúmat captívum tenére, quem tu ad imáginem tuam fácere dignátus es, et in Fílio tuo redemísti: Qui tecum vivit et regnat in unitáte Spíritus Sancti Deus, per ómnia sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
I highly recommend "Hostage to the Devil" by Malachi Martin. Terrifying book though.
Would you also recommend Malachi Martin's books and writing in which he reveals that the Vatican has been controlled by Luciferians and Free Masons for a long time?
Suggested reading, "Keys To This Blood", Malachi Martin.
Well the gullibility shown on this thread alone is strong evidence.
von Dollinger predicted it in the 19th century;
"In the future every Roman Catholic when asked why he believes this or that can and may give but the one answer: 'I believe or reject it because the infallible Pope has bidden it to be believed or rejected'"---Declarations and Letters, pgs. 101,101
Can you show me where we are taught that there is any such thing as holy water or that it has any power?
That's in the "Gospel of Judas" isn't it?
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