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Meaning Calvinism? I cannot accept the idea of a God who loves the whole world and then chooses people to be saved or go to the lake of fire. No one can convince me that God is like this.

I would be careful with Calvinism, it reminds me too much of Fred Phelps and his “God Hates Fags” idea.


22 posted on 05/27/2007 9:15:39 PM PDT by Truth_will_rule_eventually
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To: Truth_will_rule_eventually
I cannot accept the idea of a God who loves the whole world and then chooses people to be saved or go to the lake of fire. No one can convince me that God is like this.

Romans 9:14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Romans 9:15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Romans 9:16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Romans 9:17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Romans 9:18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Romans 9:19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Romans 9:20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Romans 9:21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Romans 9:22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Romans 9:23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory


Matthew 13:37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

Matthew 13:38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Matthew 13:39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

44 posted on 05/28/2007 6:49:56 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Truth_will_rule_eventually
Meaning Calvinism? I cannot accept the idea of a God who loves the whole world and then chooses people to be saved or go to the lake of fire. No one can convince me that God is like this.

I would be careful with Calvinism, it reminds me too much of Fred Phelps and his “God Hates Fags” idea.

22 posted on 05/27/2007 10:15:39 PM MDT by Truth_will_rule_eventually

Only if you believe that the same Elohim
who created the universe is not omniscient.

Perhaps you define your god in your own image.

b'shem Yah'shua
46 posted on 05/28/2007 7:23:55 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Truth_will_rule_eventually
Meaning Calvinism? I cannot accept the idea of a God who loves the whole world and then chooses people to be saved or go to the lake of fire. No one can convince me that God is like this.

Do you worship God or are creating a god in the image you find worthy of your worship? Whether or not God's plan is "fair" or not is not ours to determine, because we are not God.

I would be careful with Calvinism, it reminds me too much of Fred Phelps and his “God Hates Fags” idea.

If you see Calvinism in Phelps actions, you don't seem to have a clue about Calvinism.

47 posted on 05/28/2007 7:37:44 AM PDT by GoLightly
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