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Journey Home - May 21 - Neil Babcox (former Presbyterian) - A minister encounters Mary
CS & T ^ | Lou Baldwin

Posted on 05/21/2007 12:59:30 PM PDT by NYer

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To: fisher-of-men
the never ending sacrifice of the eucharist - all saying - The sacrifice of our LORD was not enough

The "never ending sacrifice of the eucharist" is "the sacrifice of our LORD".

One and the same thing.

21 posted on 07/26/2007 7:37:02 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: PAR35
87 member, shrinking church (down from 160 10 years ago). Liberal PCUSA, of course.

Scott Hahn came from a Presby church that split off from the OPC to be even more conservative, and you guys don't have any greater regard for him.

Given how utterly apostate the PCUSA is, you should be happy for this guy. At least now he belongs to a Christian church that knows that killing babies is wrong.

22 posted on 07/26/2007 7:39:29 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion
Given how utterly apostate the PCUSA is, you should be happy for this guy.

If a ship doesn't have an anchor, no telling where it will drift. And the PCUSA lacks an anchor.

As for Hahn, it appears that he was an early proponent of what is now called Federal Vision. We probably have several more preachers we need to send your way over that issue.

23 posted on 07/26/2007 8:55:31 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
If a ship doesn't have an anchor, no telling where it will drift. And the PCUSA lacks an anchor.

The PCUSA isn't becoming Catholic. It's Babcox.

He's jumping the drifting ship. I don't see that your analogy is relevant.

24 posted on 07/26/2007 9:36:37 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.


25 posted on 03/08/2008 6:30:27 AM PST by fisher-of-men (The Sufficiancy of Christ)
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To: NYer
"Who am I that the mother of the Lord should come to me?”
the lights of the chapel were extinguished, save for one highlighting the icon of the Blessed Virgin.
For me, it wouldn’t have happened without Mary,”
By custom, a silent Hail Mary became his last words at night.
he was devoted to Mary

Deu 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

Mat 4:10 ...for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Exo 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
Exo 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Psa 148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.

Psa 124:8 Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth.

26 posted on 03/08/2008 7:21:34 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

What’s your point? Catholics do not worship Mary. On the contrary, it is Mary who leads people to her Son.


27 posted on 03/08/2008 11:42:09 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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What’s your point? Catholics do not worship Mary. On the contrary, it is Mary who leads people to her Son.

That's not a correct statement biblically.

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

Is it your assertion that the man in the article did not know Christ, but was led to him by Mary?

28 posted on 03/09/2008 10:52:22 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Is it your assertion that the man in the article did not know Christ, but was led to him by Mary?

No. I just don't understand your purpose in posting those tracts from Scripture. Babcox was already a believer in Christ. And, as the above article notes:

Neil Babcox summed up his devotion to the Holy Virgin through the words of St. Elizabeth, “Who am I that the mother of the Lord should come to me?”

Rather than quote Scripture, perhaps you should simply post the point you are trying to make, okay?

29 posted on 03/09/2008 11:47:18 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer; DouglasKC
Rather than quote Scripture, perhaps you should simply post the point you are trying to make, okay?

The point is.....Mary leads no one......anywhere. Mary is dead! Evidently Neil's problem has always been his belief (Protestant doctrine also) that dead people are not really dead.....but floating around somewhere is some heavenly realm. Scripture, of course....does not support this....otherwise, why the need for a resurrection?

30 posted on 03/09/2008 1:22:46 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: NYer
Rather than quote Scripture, perhaps you should simply post the point you are trying to make, okay?

In this case I would rather have scripture speak for itself.

31 posted on 03/09/2008 9:25:29 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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