These stackable chairs ended up working quite nicely. We got them in a nice dark oak. Now we can stack up the chairs and also use our sanctuary for bowling and bingo.
Posted on 05/19/2007 1:37:15 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
by Chris Rosebrough
Yes you read that headline correctly. That is a quote from Rick Warren in Mark Kelly’s latest spin piece for Saddleback entitled “Seven myths about ‘Purpose Driven’”
The piece itself has two wildly surreal statements in it, that if you consider what is really being said, ought to make you question the entire ‘Purpose Driven’ church concept.
The first is a quote from Rick Warren himself:
Rick Warren says: “The five purposes of the church commanded by Jesus in the Great Commandment and Great Commission never go out of style. They are not a fad. They are eternally relevant. Any church that fails to fulfill the five purposes Jesus established for his people is not really a church!”
Wow!?
If your church isn’t fulfilling the 5 Purposes, according to Rick Warren it “is not really a church!”
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(Excerpt) Read more at extremetheology.com ...
That ought to stir things up.
All together now: 1)pure preaching of the gospel, 2)right administration of the sacrements, and 3)church discipline.
I can only think of the 7 churches in Rev. 2 and 3. They were not perfct, in fact only one or two received only commendation, yet they were all churches of God.
Mark Kelly is nothing more than Rick Warren’s lap dog. Warren is now irrelevant since his trip to Syria and his embracing of the “global warming” junk science.
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Rick Warren = just another reason not to get too caught up in which church is “right” stuff
Rick Warren is in meltdown. This is just another sign.
and to fulfill all those purposes there’s about five zillion other steps involved. It sure ain’t simple anymore.
No, actually a good reason to. Just look for a church that rejects him.
Well, not necessarily, but it's a good start.
Another sign...another one that hordes of naive Christians will miss.
They'll say "but he didn't MEAN it that way!" or some variation of that.
The five provided are :
worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry, and evangelism
And I can sure agree with those, perhaps not in that order, but they are the five most important.
These stackable chairs ended up working quite nicely. We got them in a nice dark oak. Now we can stack up the chairs and also use our sanctuary for bowling and bingo.
Of course, Rick is speaking of the institutional church not the bride of Christ Church.
Uhhhh . . .
Dear ROCK BRIGADE . . .
Please give me chapter and verse which show any of the following to be
UNScriptural
and
totally off God’s priority list for Christian groups:
worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry, and evangelism
Cvengr, Sometimes I think there are as many rocks in the heads of the rock throwers as in their buckets!
Which thread was that with the long post on the CFR and Warren recently? Within the last week?
You’re very prophetic. They are voting Dem more and more.
(see http://www.sojo.net) (this is not a PROMOTION for www.sojo.net just an advisement to know the opposition)
Yes, but definitions are VERY important. Rick Warren continually baits and switches, and equivocates on these things.
What is 'ministry' anyway? Isn't that the other four purposes all put together?
I thought this description of 'discipleship' was pretty good here. It is all footnoted with links which I'll not reformat (too many) but at the original page you can reference them if you want.
Discussion of Rick Warren's The Purpose Driven Life
For Warren, however, man-initiated obedience is the key to fellowship with our Lord: “However, Jesus made it clear that obedience is a condition of intimacy with God.”[57] It is important, according to Warren, “Because it proves you really love him.”[58] So the biblical saints, such as Mary, act as examples for us: “God chose Mary to be the mother of Jesus, not because she was talented or wealthy or beautiful, but because she was totally surrendered to him.”[59] Thus, we are told, if we want God’s blessing on our lives, we must likewise be obediently surrendered, manifesting the beatitudes: “If you want God’s blessing on your life and you want to be known as a child of God, you must learn to be a peacemaker.”[60] Failure to do so may result in judgment: “I lose fellowship with God…I set myself up to be judged by God.”[61] So, if believers can’t sanctify themselves, but are expected to take the initiative, what role does God play? Seemingly, a mere advisory role. He gives principles for godly living in His Word and man must glean from these principles in order to live a purpose-driven life. So Warren presents readers with the following “simple” instructions: discovering the three insights into your purpose,[62] ascertaining the five reasons to live a purpose-driven life,[63] applying the three metaphors of God’s view of life,[64] learning God’s five purposes for your life,[65] living God’s five plans for your life,[66] enacting the five acts of worship that make God smile,[67] uncovering six secrets of friendship with God,[68] developing the four characteristics of the kind of worship that pleases God,[69] performing the three important truths of fruitful fellowship,[70] six reasons for being committed and active in a local fellowship,[71] discovering the four principles of real fellowship,[72] learning the four steps to cultivating community,[73] creating a covenant using the nine characteristics of biblical fellowship,[74] following the seven steps to restoring broken fellowship,[75] promoting six ways to ensure unity,[76] following the three steps to conflict resolution,[77] uncovering the three responsibilities in becoming like Christ,[78] practicing the three activities necessary to abide in God’s Word,[79] carefully following the three specific steps in overcoming temptation,[80] learning the four keys to defeating temptation,[81] avoiding the five impediments to growing in Christ,[82] enacting the four steps to cooperate with God in the process of Christian growth,[83] participating in the six types of experiences God uses in molding us,[84] discerning the three steps to clarifying what God intends you to be and do,[85] finding the six steps to becoming a true servant,[86] developing the five attitudes of a true servant,[87] taking the four steps to allowing God to work through your weaknesses,[88] establishing the six steps to discovering the importance of your mission,[89] discerning the four parts of your life message,[90] discovering your seven life lessons,[91] implementing the four principles for thinking like a world-class Christian,[92] participating in the four important activities for purpose-driven living,[93] learning the five vital signs of worship,[94] realizing the five steps to discovering your purpose statement,[95] and remembering life’s five greatest questions.[96] By following these one hundred and sixty-four simple steps, readers may initiate their own sanctification and live purpose-driven lives.
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