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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Of course, we don’t NEED miracles. We don’t NEED signs. But that did not stop God from performing signs, through Moses, through many other Old Testament figures, through Christ Himself, through the apostles, and through many people since. God after all DID perform signs through Paul and Peter, as reported in Acts. Obviously, “apostolic miracles” ended with the apostles: that is what we call in logic a tautology. Just as “prophetic miracles” ended with the prophets, “Mosaic miracles” ended with Moses. The question is, did ALL miracles end with the apostles? There is no reason to think so. And the great majority of Protestants in the world do not think so. We are told not to demand miracles. But we also should also not mock the idea that God still may be performing them in today’s world.
Doubtless, there are many fraudulant claims of miracles. I strongly suspect that many of the miracles done by televangelists are fraudulant. I hesitate to say that they all are, as dubious as they seem, because it would be presumptuous of me to set limits to what God can do. I also suspect that the vast majority of purported apparitions of Mary, on drainpipes or whatever, are bogus. It is precisely because of the fact of fraudulant claims of the miraculous
that it is so useful that the Catholic Church does rigorous investigations of purported miracles. And the fact is, as anyone who looks into the matter will find, that many of the miracles documented in those investigations have enormously strong evidence in their favor. I say this as a person who is a research scientist and somewhat skeptical by nature.


45 posted on 05/17/2007 11:58:26 AM PDT by smpb (smb)
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To: smpb; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg
I strongly suspect that many of the miracles done by televangelists are fraudulant.

Now you just hold on there one darned minute, fella....

49 posted on 05/17/2007 12:04:56 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (FR Member Alex Murphy: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: smpb; Gamecock
Not only do we not "need" miracles, we are not to look for miracles as testaments to our salvation because our salvation is founded, nurtured and bestowed solely by and through the work of Christ on the cross.

"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." -- Mark 7:7

Have you apologized to Gamecock yet for bearing false witness that he used the word "Romanist?"

50 posted on 05/17/2007 12:06:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: smpb

Please format so your posts are readable.

Otherwise, I and many others will skip them, and your words are for naught.


244 posted on 05/17/2007 6:21:16 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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