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1 posted on 05/14/2007 5:19:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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I'm an atheist, a former Catholic, so this isn't my fight, but man, what unbelievable gall on the part of these people--they make such a statement as a political bloc against a religious figure who makes decisions for his community.

I wish I could get across what I'm feeling right now. To me it's like a bunch of politicians getting together to tell a parent how to raise their kid--oh, wait, the Dems love doing that...

Unbelievable. Their hubris knows no bounds.

2 posted on 05/14/2007 5:22:11 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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“Advancing respect for life and for the dignity of every human being is, as our church has taught us, our own life’s mission.”

And you show this by supporting abortion?

Wow. Just...wow. I shouldn't be shocked by this stuff over and over, but I am.

3 posted on 05/14/2007 5:24:22 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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I’ve always looked at churches as clubs. Clubs, by definition have rules. If you don’t like the rules, you don’t belong in the club.

The position of the Catholic Church, as I understand it, is that abortion is a no-no, you don’t do it, you don’t support people who do it. If you do support people who do it, you have violated the rules of the club and have voluntarily relinquished your membership.

Case closed.

4 posted on 05/14/2007 5:27:34 PM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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I’ve said it many times, but I’ll say it again - a showdown is coming between the church and the state, and I strongly suspect abortion will be the catalyst.

This evangelical, and I trust millions of others, will stand with our Catholic brethren if/when this happens.


5 posted on 05/14/2007 5:30:12 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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The House Democrats will have to meet their maker someday and answer for their support of abortions. I doubt that they will like God’s answer and judgment unless they repent and amend their ways. (Start voting pro-life.)


6 posted on 05/14/2007 5:33:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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“We are concerned with the Pope’s recent statement warning Catholic elected officials that they risk excommunication and would not receive communion for their pro-choice views,” the lawmakers said in a statement issued yesterday. “Advancing respect for life and for the dignity of every human being is, as our church has taught us, our own life’s mission.”

Let me put this in terms that even a Democratic Congress Critter can understand....

Congress Critters do NOT get to tell the Holy Father what the Church teaches.

9 posted on 05/14/2007 5:37:32 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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The Democratic lawmakers said that the suggested penalty “offend[s] the very nature of the American experiment and do[es] a great disservice to the centuries of good work the church has done.”

So, the Pope makes a comment to Mexican bishops regarding the requirements for membership in the Catholic Church in Mexico, and that offends legislators in the United States? Someone needs to remind these Democrat politicians that they have represent districts in the United States, not Mexico, and they have no authority over the Pope.

And what is this nonsense about offending the "nature of the American experiment"? I thought that Democrats believed in freedom of religion, not to mention separation of church and state.

13 posted on 05/14/2007 5:45:02 PM PDT by Logophile
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Will these Heretics please go away.


16 posted on 05/14/2007 6:23:25 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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"Pope still Catholic - Democrats enraged, hint at overturning Free Exercise and Establishment clauses of First Amendment on these grounds (and for the sake of Gorebull Whoring)"

18 posted on 05/14/2007 6:31:59 PM PDT by M203M4 (That Hunter is not cleaning house is a testament to how far conservatism has fallen.)
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“We are concerned with the Pope’s recent statement warning Catholic elected officials that they risk excommunication and would not receive communion for their pro-choice views,” the lawmakers said in a statement issued yesterday. “Advancing respect for life and for the dignity of every human being is, as our church has taught us, our own life’s mission.”

Translation: We believe that ignorance is bliss, that we are our own moral authority and can make it up as we go along, and that if we want to kill babies in the womb, it is our personal choice to do so.

Left Unsaid: We'd never advocate this for a kitten or doggie, though, because PETA would be all over our case...

19 posted on 05/14/2007 6:32:02 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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“Advancing respect for life and for the dignity of every human being is, as our church has taught us, our own life’s mission.”

Good God Almighty.

24 posted on 05/14/2007 6:59:14 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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Some things never change.

We may think that we've progressed over the past couple of millenia but when one reads the comments of the various Democratic politicos quoted in the article it's obvious that the reaction of secular leaders to public rebuke by religious figures is exactly the same as it was 1,000 years ago when Henry II cried out against Thomas a Beckett, "who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?". It's the same as it was 2,000 years ago when Herod and his concubine did not take kindly to the rebuke of John the Baptist who paid for his outspokenness with his head.

The "maximum leaders" do not take kindly to being informed that there is a greater power than they.

25 posted on 05/14/2007 7:01:55 PM PDT by marshmallow
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31 posted on 05/14/2007 7:37:46 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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Anathema sint.


36 posted on 05/14/2007 8:21:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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From the article:

Jon O’Brien, the executive director of Catholics for a Free Choice, said, “[Pope Benedict] is still putting dogma ahead of the lived reality of the Catholic laity… it will only push Catholic politicians further from the institutional church.”

Saying that Catholics for a Free Choice is a Catholic Organization is the same as saying that WITCHCRAFT is a Sacrament.

Catholics for a Free Choice is funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and the Ford Foundation...

44 posted on 05/14/2007 9:02:19 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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“Advancing respect for life and for the dignity of every human being is, as our church has taught us, our own life’s mission.”

Liars. Then what are they afraid of???

47 posted on 05/14/2007 9:16:16 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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Jon O’Brien, the executive director of Catholics for a Free Choice, said, “[Pope Benedict] is still putting dogma the truth ahead of the lived reality sinful desires of some unfaithful members of the Catholic laity… it will only push Catholic politicians further from the institutional church Church established by Jesus Christ and guarded by the Holy Spirit.”

Fixed it!

48 posted on 05/14/2007 9:32:41 PM PDT by Petrosius
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Where the heck is the Spanish Inquisition when you need it?

(Give them the comfy pillows!)

Seriously, the batch of ‘em ought to be hauled before an ecclesial court and be convicted of obstinate heresy and tossed out on their ears. Very, very publicly!

66 posted on 05/15/2007 3:39:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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At least B16 is truly a leader, God Bless him!
67 posted on 05/15/2007 3:40:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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“We are concerned with the Pope’s recent statement warning Catholic elected officials that they risk excommunication and would not receive communion for their pro-choice views,” the lawmakers said in a statement issued yesterday. “Advancing respect for life and for the dignity of every human being is, as our church has taught us, our own life’s mission.”

By their own actions they excommunicate themselves.

68 posted on 05/15/2007 3:43:45 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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