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To: annalex
God did not, therefore, compel Christ to die; but he suffered death of his own will...

Hmmm...it sounds as if what is being said here is that God the Father plan was based upon what the Son was willing to do of His own will. Is this correct?

3 posted on 05/14/2007 4:48:02 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Well, I agree with you that the sentence is problematic. I balk at the idea of the Son being willing to do something "of His own will."

What does Anselm mean by "obedience in maintaining holiness"?

4 posted on 05/14/2007 7:27:06 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ( St. Michael: By the power of God, fight with us!)
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To: HarleyD; Mad Dawg
God the Father plan was based upon what the Son was willing to do of His own will

Yes, this is my understanding of what St. Anselm is saying here. However, consider:

he had agreed with the Father and the Holy Spirit, that there was no other way to reveal to the world the height of his omnipotence, than by his death.

and also

he speaks of the will of the Father, not because the Father preferred the death of the Son to his life; but because the Father was not willing to rescue the human race, unless man were to do even as great a thing as was signified in the death of Christ.

The conclusion seems to be that the necessity of the Incarnation and Passion was understood by both, just like you and I might independently understand an engineering dilemma in the same way, because of our exalted knowledge of the problem. If then I act on the problem on my own will in accordance with your understanding, then it cannot be said that you compelled me to do it.

5 posted on 05/14/2007 7:49:55 PM PDT by annalex
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To: HarleyD
God did not, therefore, compel Christ to die; but he suffered death of his own will...

Hmmm...it sounds as if what is being said here is that God the Father plan was based upon what the Son was willing to do of His own will. Is this correct?

That would be in agreement with Jesus oft repeated statement that He came to do the Will of the Father.

John 5:30

30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

11 posted on 05/15/2007 4:43:41 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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