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For the next several months I read the writings of those men who had learned the Christian faith from the very mouth of Christ and the Apostles.

What is she talking about here? The Bible? What other Apostolic writings are there? Does she consider St. Patrick an Apostle???

I began to familiarize myself with the culture and time of the Apostles and realized that Christianity in its earliest days was not Bible centered (indeed most of the NT was not written yet and later was not available for the masses) but Tradition centered.

Every worship of every early Christian, then as well as today, was and should be centered on the word of God. Her history is as weak as her theology.

I learned that when the early Christians went to Church their services were not sermon centered but centered around the Eucharist, the Lord's Supper, which was not seen as a symbol but as the actual Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

None of this is true. The preaching of the word of God was and is always the centerpiece of all worship...

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." -- Luke 4:4

And most certainly the Apostles themselves did not believe they were actually eating the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ because He was sitting alive alongside them as He instructed them to partake of the Lord's Supper -- "do this in remembrance of me."

Pity she has so much confusion in her life.

23 posted on 05/07/2007 3:05:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You wrote: “What is she talking about here? The Bible? What other Apostolic writings are there? Does she consider St. Patrick an Apostle???”

LEARN TO READ. She wrote: “For the next several months I read the writings of those men who had learned the Christian faith from the very mouth of Christ and the Apostles.”

Notice the word “from”? She’s not saying the Apostles. She’s saying FROM the Apostles. The earliest Church Fathers, like Ignatius, learned from the Apostles.


25 posted on 05/07/2007 3:09:40 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You wrote: “None of this is true. The preaching of the word of God was and is always the centerpiece of all worship...”

Incorrect. Paul in 1 Cor. 11 shows otherwise.

Also, don’t forget Acts:

Acts 2:42
They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

Acts 2:46
Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

Acts 20:11
When he had gone back up and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while until daybreak, and then left.

Acts 27:35
Having said this, he took bread and gave thanks to God in the presence of all, and he broke it and began to eat.

“Pity she has so much confusion in her life.”

She doesn’t. She is no longer a Protestant.


26 posted on 05/07/2007 3:16:04 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Every worship of every early Christian, then as well as today, was and should be centered on the word of God.

What authority do you have to tell other Christians how they "should" worship?

-A8

28 posted on 05/07/2007 3:17:28 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And most certainly the Apostles themselves did not believe they were actually eating the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ because He was sitting alive alongside them as He instructed them to partake of the Lord's Supper

"Most certainly"? He's God ... he can most certainly cause the Apostles to actually partake of his flesh and blood as he sits there beside them at the Last Supper. And, in fact, that's precisely what he said he did.

And witness to this is borne both by the plain words of Scripture and by the words of, e.g., Ignatius of Antioch, who did learn his faith personally from the Apostles.

33 posted on 05/07/2007 3:26:27 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Salvation
Pity she has so much confusion in her life.

On the contrary, her life is filled with great peace. Why not ask her yourself!

The program will air live in another 10 minutes. It is a 'call in' program and the phone number will be listed on the screen. You can imagine there are many callers. You can also email the program - journeyhome@ewtn.com. Those questions are also addressed life tonight.

51 posted on 05/07/2007 4:49:19 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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