Being Catholic: Sacred Things, Ashes

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[pjr12345]

It seems that your good attitude is fading or your patience with me is worn out. Good bye.

Probably a little of both.

And this is a good place to end it. Enough reason has been put forth. That which lies beyond reason need not be stirred.

Thanks to all for a very good debate!

Proverbs 27:17 -- As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.

[Claud]

The example you use to defend un-Scriptural practices doesn’t hold up. Surely others who wish to emulate God’s power as exercised through Paul (or any other Disciple) are just as clearly incorrect as those poor fellows who found out the hard way.

There you go with "un-Scriptural" again LOL.

Says who? It's right there in St. Paul. The sons of Sceva were not even using relics (at least there's no mention of it), and they were doing exorcism, so that's not even germane to our discussion here which is about miraculous healing.

You set up the criteria that only a prophet of God can heal in this way, and a prophey is confirmed by miracles. Do you still stand by that? Because I've got a laundry list of such confirmation if you're open to hearing it.

[pjr12345]

I urge you to read God's Word, let It speak to you, and rather than be conformed to the world, be transformed by the renewing of your mind (Romans 12:2).

I'm not asking you to take my word, I'm challenging you to follow biblical example and search the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things are so (Acts 17:11); and not just my words but that of your church.

Sadly, I suspect that you love your darkness more than the light (John 3:19), and that you would rather serve the creation rather than the Creator (Romans 1:25), and will continue to choose to be cheated through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ (Colossians 2:8).

If you ever choose to rightly divide the Word of Truth (1Tim 2:15), God will not disappoint.

Given the eternal importance of this subject, don't you owe it to yourself to learn the Truth?

[Claud]

Let’s not spin off into a hundred other quotes that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. You asked for Biblical examples of people using relics and such. We provided at least three, from the time of the Jews, Christ, and St. Paul. To which you replied that those things were only supposed to endure as long as the Apostles and disciples were on earth.

But do you have any Scripture to support that argument? IMHO that opinion—that the time of miracles and healings ended with the Apostles—is a tradition purely of men for which there is absolutely no Scriptural foundation. Which, as you’ve indicated, is a bad thing for us to be doing, no?

[pjr12345]

I made no such request. And I don't appreciate your continuing efforts to distort and contort my words (in addition to Scripture).

Scripture speaks. Each person may choose to do that which is right in his own eyes (Deut 12:8) or choose to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord (Deut 13:18).

I see no future in endless debate.

Goodbye.

[Claud]

My apologies if I have misunderstood. Thank you for the discussion, and may God bless you.