Posted on 04/21/2007 6:18:02 AM PDT by DouglasKC
Romans 5:13-14 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to MosesNote the progeression here, God gave the promise to Abraham before he gave the law.Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
And some of you STILL don't believe it...
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
If you want to live by the law, you will be judged by the law...And you won't survive the judgement...
Good post.
Here is another.
(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Ergo sin existed before the law. This also leads to the doctrines of the old sin nature or natural man.
The old law was clearly and explicitly not abolished. It was summed up (fulfilled) in the new law which is supposedly to be the Golden Rule but is actually explicitly stated and repeated in case it was overlooked in Mt.
Natural law of what?
Iscool, I know you're earnest. But you're messing up trying to be justified by keeping the law with being justified by Christ.
Obeying God's commandments doesn't save or give righteousness. But that's a long stretch from saying that we should totally disregard the 10 commandments. Even Paul doesn't believe that, as evidenced by one of the verses you skipped in chapter 7:
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Now if I or anyone else were to come on here and say that keeping the law APART from accepting the sacrifice of Christ will save us, then you may have a point.
But the FRUITS of Christian living is that we will OBEY the ten commandments of our Lord.
What does the Bible say?
About the ten commandments?
'Top 10 Catholic parenting tips found in the 10 Commandments' - Top Home and Family story of 2006
Anyone who claims to be a Christian, yet steals, lies, and cheats 7 days a week is blotting his own name out of the Book of Life.
We have no right to call Jesus, "Lord" and not do what he says.
Obedience brings victory.
Amen.
ORIGINAL COMMANDMENT OF GOD:
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
CATHOLIC COMMANDMENT:
Remember to keep holy the Lord’s day
You wrote:
“Natural law of what?”
Wow. THE Natural Law. You’ve never heard of it either? So much of Christian philosophy has been lost among some Christians:
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
THE NATURAL MORAL LAW
1954 Man participates in the wisdom and goodness of the Creator who gives him mastery over his acts and the ability to govern himself with a view to the true and the good. The natural law expresses the original moral sense which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie:
The natural law is written and engraved in the soul of each and every man, because it is human reason ordaining him to do good and forbidding him to sin . . . But this command of human reason would not have the force of law if it were not the voice and interpreter of a higher reason to which our spirit and our freedom must be submitted.5
1955 The “divine and natural” law6 shows man the way to follow so as to practice the good and attain his end. The natural law states the first and essential precepts which govern the moral life. It hinges upon the desire for God and submission to him, who is the source and judge of all that is good, as well as upon the sense that the other is one’s equal. Its principal precepts are expressed in the Decalogue. This law is called “natural,” not in reference to the nature of irrational beings, but because reason which decrees it properly belongs to human nature:
Where then are these rules written, if not in the book of that light we call the truth? In it is written every just law; from it the law passes into the heart of the man who does justice, not that it migrates into it, but that it places its imprint on it, like a seal on a ring that passes onto wax, without leaving the ring.7 The natural law is nothing other than the light of understanding placed in us by God; through it we know what we must do and what we must avoid. God has given this light or law at the creation.8
1956 The natural law, present in the heart of each man and established by reason, is universal in its precepts and its authority extends to all men. It expresses the dignity of the person and determines the basis for his fundamental rights and duties:
For there is a true law: right reason. It is in conformity with nature, is diffused among all men, and is immutable and eternal; its orders summon to duty; its prohibitions turn away from offense . . . . To replace it with a contrary law is a sacrilege; failure to apply even one of its provisions is forbidden; no one can abrogate it entirely.9
1957 Application of the natural law varies greatly; it can demand reflection that takes account of various conditions of life according to places, times, and circumstances. Nevertheless, in the diversity of cultures, the natural law remains as a rule that binds men among themselves and imposes on them, beyond the inevitable differences, common principles.
1958 The natural law is immutable and permanent throughout the variations of history;10 it subsists under the flux of ideas and customs and supports their progress. The rules that express it remain substantially valid. Even when it is rejected in its very principles, it cannot be destroyed or removed from the heart of man. It always rises again in the life of individuals and societies:
Theft is surely punished by your law, O Lord, and by the law that is written in the human heart, the law that iniquity itself does not efface.11
1959 The natural law, the Creator’s very good work, provides the solid foundation on which man can build the structure of moral rules to guide his choices. It also provides the indispensable moral foundation for building the human community. Finally, it provides the necessary basis for the civil law with which it is connected, whether by a reflection that draws conclusions from its principles, or by additions of a positive and juridical nature.
1960 The precepts of natural law are not perceived by everyone clearly and immediately. In the present situation sinful man needs grace and revelation so moral and religious truths may be known “by everyone with facility, with firm certainty and with no admixture of error.”12 The natural law provides revealed law and grace with a foundation prepared by God and in accordance with the work of the Spirit.
Footnotes:
5 Leo XIII, Libertas praestantissimum, 597.
6 GS 89 § 1.
7 St. Augustine, De Trin. 14,15,21:PL 42,1052.
8 St. Thomas Aquinas, Dec. præc. I.
9 Cicero, Rep. III,22,33.
10 Cf. GS 10.
11 St. Augustine, Conf. 2,4,9:PL 32,678.
12 Pius XII, Humani generis: DS 3876; cf. Dei Filius 2: DS 3005.
Well, that’s another way of looking at it.
Too nice a day for this, though, where I live!
The Sabbath Commandment is still in force today.
That is why it is a mortal sin to go shopping on Sundays and Holy Days, perform servile work on Sundays and Holy Days, unnecessarily travel on Sundays and Holy Days, and fail to go to Church to worship God on Sundays and Holy Days. All these things either detract from our own worship of God or prevent others from worshipping God by making them work.
Nice here too, but unfortunately I've got a nasty cold and can't really do much anyways. :-)
I will pray for your recovery during my run!
Yes it is.
That is why it is a mortal sin to go shopping on Sundays and Holy Days, perform servile work on Sundays and Holy Days, unnecessarily travel on Sundays and Holy Days, and fail to go to Church to worship God on Sundays and Holy Days. All these things either detract from our own worship of God or prevent others from worshipping God by making them work.
I would agree with much of this except the primary point. Sunday is not the sabbath of the Lord.
And what is it that Jesus says to do???
Anyone who claims to be a Christian, yet steals, lies, and cheats 7 days a week is blotting his own name out of the Book of Life.
We hear that a lot don't we...Some Christians think pretty highly of temselves...Other people's sins are much worse than their own little sins...
Why did Jesus die on the cross??? It's because not a single one of us is good enough to get to heaven without His sacrifice...Without his death, none of us are good enough to make it to heaven...
1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
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