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Should We Take the Bible Literally or Figuratively?
CatholicExchange.com ^ | April 17, 2007 | Mary Harwell Sayler

Posted on 04/18/2007 11:20:10 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: kerryusama04
Try resding without the rosary colored glasses.

I am not Catholic. I am Southern Baptist in fact.

I don't know this book or the author. I got the quote from a Sabbatarian web site a couple years ago.

Don't you think you ought to research what you are quoting?

61 posted on 04/18/2007 1:43:41 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Between the Lines
I quoted a Catholic Priest. Rest assured, that has been researched.
62 posted on 04/18/2007 1:45:19 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (John 19:31)
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To: MarkBsnr
First, in response to the article, I have to say both. It depends on the passage and is usually obvious which way to go.

Second, in response to your post at #50, I invite you to notice the word all in Acts 2:4. Peter wasn't the only apostle.

63 posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:29 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: kerryusama04
I sense a need for conflict here.

Ah good, you have a sense of irony. I like that in a poster.

If you challenge me, I am going to respond.

Great! I'm still waiting for you to respond to #41.

64 posted on 04/18/2007 1:59:29 PM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: pgyanke; Salvation
Sorry for the hijack, Salvation. They keep pulling

me

back

in.

Colossians 2: 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Context is crucial. How would pagans from Colossea know about a Sabbath if Paul had not taught them? Perhaps, just perhaps, Paul taught them to keep the Sabbath and then they got grief from their pagan neighbors? At any rate, 2:20 goes on to reference the elements of the world. Who worshipped elements of the world?

Regarding Romans, is this verse in your Bible as well?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make the Law void through faith? Let it not be! But we establish the Law.

Paul is teaching the believers in chapter 14 not to fall into salvation through works. One can keep 52 Sabbaths a year as well as the Levitical Holy Days but if they do it with a carnal mind trying to earn salvation, they will fail. Paul is motivating the believers to let Christ work in them. The Law saves no one, but the saved keep the Law.

Yes, the believers came together to eat on the first day of the week. Convocating on any day of the week does not break the 4th Commandment. Not keeping the Sabbath Holy, or making up your own Sabbath, is sin. Please also don't neglect the verses that show the believers in Acts keeping the Sabbath.

Act 13:14 But going through from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day and sat down.

Act 13:27 For those living in Jerusalem, and their rulers, not having known this One, and the voices of the Prophets being read throughout every sabbath, condemning Him, they fulfilled the Scriptures.

Act 13:42 And the Jews having gone out of the synagogue, the nations begged that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Act 13:44 And on the coming sabbath day almost all the city came together to hear the Word of God.

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue on every sabbath, persuading both Jews and Greeks.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome.

69 posted on 04/18/2007 2:29:33 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (John 19:31)
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To: kerryusama04
Thank you. Now we're having a conversation.

This isn't a hijack as far as I'm concerned. It goes to the literal or figurative interpretation of the Bible as is the topic of the thread.

Perhaps, just perhaps, Paul taught them to keep the Sabbath...

The Colossians weren't just pagans. Everywhere Paul went he addressed first Jew, then gentile. Context is indeed crucial. That also applies to your citation from Acts regarding the Sabbath. Paul was in the synagogue every Sabbath preaching to the Jews. This doesn't mean necessarily that he considered keeping the Sabbath as paramount... it could simply be that that was where he could speak to the Jews.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to disagree with you. We agree far more than we disagree. Paul brought the Law with him (God's Law, not Deuteronomy). How he taught it, we don't know. Did he tell the gentiles to observe the Sabbath day of rest or encourage them to meet on Sunday? I rely on the teaching authority of the Church to settle the matter. Considering that nearly all of Christendom celebrates on the same day, I would say we have this in common.

70 posted on 04/18/2007 3:06:16 PM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: kerryusama04
I don't believe any church has the authority to change the commandments

Who decided that Gentiles don't have to keep kosher?

71 posted on 04/18/2007 3:12:04 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: colorado tanker

** I’ve always thought the answer to this question is “yes,” because so much of the Bible is written in allegory and parable.**

Yes, it has a double meaning, doesn’t it. ‘Yes’ is a good answer. LOL!


72 posted on 04/18/2007 3:21:22 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: Frank Sheed
Early Church Fathers - Worship on Sabbath or Sunday
73 posted on 04/18/2007 3:23:40 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: kerryusama04
The Catholic Church Changed The Ten Commandments?

'Top 10 Catholic parenting tips found in the 10 Commandments' - Top Home and Family story of 2006

74 posted on 04/18/2007 3:25:40 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: Frank Sheed

LOL! He is a one issue Seventh Day Adventist — not the first time he has tried to hijack a thread.


75 posted on 04/18/2007 3:29:10 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: Campion; kerryusama04
"Who decided that Gentiles don't have to keep kosher?"

Jesus - Acts 10:15

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

76 posted on 04/18/2007 3:29:37 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: kerryusama04

**I was raised Catholic, **

Then you probably still are Catholic.

Have you taken steps to go through all the paperwork to formally disavow yourself from the Catholic Church? I bet not........so you are probably still a Catholic.

(And you can come back anytime as long as you repent of your disbelief against the Catholic Church.)


77 posted on 04/18/2007 3:31:16 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: kerryusama04; Religion Moderator

Perhaps we would like to discuss the article per the rules of the Religion Moderator, but we deem it necessary to answer your inquiries, objections first. Maybe you need to leave the thread.

In the first post I asked that everyone abide by the RM’s rules. Please!! Discuss the posted article.


78 posted on 04/18/2007 3:36:13 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: kerryusama04

**rosary colored glasses**

Not appropriate at all. Good-bye.


79 posted on 04/18/2007 3:38:19 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: sandyeggo

**17 of the first 64 posts on this thread belong to you. I don’t believe a single one of them addresses the thread subject.**

Bingo! Thanks, sandyeggo.


80 posted on 04/18/2007 3:40:24 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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