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More Evidence Pius XII Was Not Hitler's Pope - German Files Point to a Russian Plot
Zenit News Agency ^ | April 2, 2007

Posted on 04/03/2007 2:32:00 AM PDT by NYer

ROME, APRIL 2, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Adolf Hitler's No. 1 enemy was the Vatican's secretary of state, Eugenio Pacelli, future Pope Pius XII, according to documents recently found in Europe.

In an article published last Thursday by La Repubblica, reporter Marco Ansaldo announced that he has a dossier on Pius XII that complements documentation found in the Vatican Archives.

According to the newly discovered documents, Pius XII was considered an enemy of the Third Reich. Memos and letters unearthed at a depot used by the Stasi, the East German secret police, show that Nazi spies within the Vatican were concerned at the Pope's efforts to help displaced Poles and Jews.

One document from the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially."

Russia's motives

In a commentary on the new documents, Sister Margherita Marchione, author and expert on Pius XII, explains the campaign against the Pope was the work of the Soviets.

"Russia's plans were to control Europe after the war. The only outspoken obstacle to Russia's plan in Europe was the Catholic Church," Sister Marchione wrote.

"The first attacks claiming that the Church had endorsed silently the atrocities of the Nazis came from Communist Russia," she explained. "Soon to control Poland, and other vast areas in Eastern Europe, Russia saw the need to break the loyalty to the Pope of Catholic majorities in those countries.

"The plan was a simple one: convince everyone that the Pope supported the hated Nazis during the war and, therefore, neither he nor the Church could be trusted after the war. The destruction of the Church would leave the field wide open for Russian influence and control."


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Judaism; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; bigotry; catholic; germany; hitler; nazis; piusxii; prejudice; revisionism; sanitized
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To: Petronski

LOL!


741 posted on 04/12/2007 3:16:28 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Titanites
Have you read it and do you believe that Pacelli/Pius XII conspired with the Nazis to bring Hitler to power as some of the non-Catholics here are claiming?

One question? Two questions? Three questions? A statement of fact/fiction?

You may see it is impossible to answer this question with a simple yes or no.

I also don't remember any of the non-Catholics here claiming Pacelli/Pius XII conspired with the Nazis to bring Hitler to power.

742 posted on 04/12/2007 3:16:39 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
FYI, the RCC hates this book so much that they’ve bought up the domain name “Hitler’s Pope.”

Another lie?

Too funny.

743 posted on 04/12/2007 3:18:48 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Titanites
Well, that's the way it worked for my brother.

And he is a prolific author whose books have a world wide distribution?
744 posted on 04/12/2007 3:20:05 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I also don't remember any of the non-Catholics here claiming Pacelli/Pius XII conspired with the Nazis to bring Hitler to power. "

Let me help:

...Pacelli engineered the passage of the Enabling Act of 1933. Post #478.

745 posted on 04/12/2007 3:21:49 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: OLD REGGIE
And he is a prolific author whose books have a world wide distribution?

I wouldn't say prolific. Just 2 books. And I can't say they have world wide distribution but I do know he said they were also in print in Canada, Ireland and Great Britain.

746 posted on 04/12/2007 3:33:47 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
Yes, that was Peter, as the Bible says. But that does not mean Simon BarJonah on the box is Peter.

But those can be Peter's bones in the box and Simon BarJonah's name on the box, right?

747 posted on 04/12/2007 3:35:41 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: sitetest; Dr. Eckleburg
Actually, WHOIS reveals that the website is owned by someone named Regan Wick of Denville, New Jersey.

A quick google reveals that Regan Wick owns a dance studio in Denville, New Jersey (as well, apparently, schools in Colorado and Washington, DC).

Thanks, sitetest. I can hear the conspiracy theories now: "Catholic Liturgical Dance Studios owned by the Vatican."

748 posted on 04/12/2007 3:36:18 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: OLD REGGIE
One question? Two questions? Three questions? A statement of fact/fiction?

You seem to be under the impression that I reposted the question in #734 in an effort to make you answer it. I reposted it only to illustrate that I was asking you a question and not painting you a with tar brush. No apologies for your false accusation are required.

You may see it is impossible to answer this question with a simple yes or no.

No, I don't see it is impossible.

I also don't remember any of the non-Catholics here claiming Pacelli/Pius XII conspired with the Nazis to bring Hitler to power.

Then possibly you haven't read all the posts.

749 posted on 04/12/2007 3:41:28 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Uncle Chip
But those can be Peter's bones in the box and Simon BarJonah's name on the box, right?

How old is the charcoal they are written in?

750 posted on 04/12/2007 3:42:36 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
Have you read it and do you believe that Pacelli/Pius XII conspired with the Nazis to bring Hitler to power as some of the non-Catholics here are claiming?

Are you a practicing Catholic and do you beat your wife as some Catholics do?

A one word answer will suffice.

751 posted on 04/12/2007 3:52:55 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
A one word answer will suffice.

Well, no it won't. And I certainly didn't expect you to use one word in answering my question.

752 posted on 04/12/2007 4:01:58 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
Well, no it won't. And I certainly didn't expect you to use one word in answering my question.

I have made it clear that I have the book, have read it, and am of the opinion that Cornwell was rather gentle towards Pius XII. I have also made it clear that I don't believe Pius XII was, in any way, Hitler's Pope.

What more can I say?

753 posted on 04/12/2007 4:11:41 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
A one word answer will suffice.

Strawman.

Where did Titanites specify you should answer in only one word?

754 posted on 04/12/2007 4:14:43 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Lurkers can see many things for for themselves.

Believe me.


755 posted on 04/12/2007 4:28:36 PM PDT by Running On Empty
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To: Titanites
How old is the charcoal they are written in?

I think the article said that the writing was dated to around 70 AD.

756 posted on 04/12/2007 4:36:52 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Petronski

Yes, it is pretty funny that someone on your side of this discussion has bought up the domain name, http://www.HitlersPope.com, and turned it into an anti-Cornwell site.

Funny and awfully defensive.


757 posted on 04/12/2007 5:41:46 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

But you’re caught in a lie. Again.

LOL


758 posted on 04/12/2007 5:43:22 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And by the way, on that word “defensive.”

You’re damn right. Lies fly at the Church all the time. Vicious lies. Seductive lies that enthrall the foolish. My feeble defense is the best I can offer. Others do what they can do too. The devil—whether he come dressed as Vanity Fair or the NYT Book Review or a shabby propagandist on a website—is very powerful and respect for that power means defense, defense, defense.


759 posted on 04/12/2007 5:49:06 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Petronski


These trolls are not worth the time. No matter what they will maintain the lie that Tito and other communists started long ago.
760 posted on 04/12/2007 7:13:01 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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