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More Evidence Pius XII Was Not Hitler's Pope - German Files Point to a Russian Plot
Zenit News Agency ^ | April 2, 2007

Posted on 04/03/2007 2:32:00 AM PDT by NYer

ROME, APRIL 2, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Adolf Hitler's No. 1 enemy was the Vatican's secretary of state, Eugenio Pacelli, future Pope Pius XII, according to documents recently found in Europe.

In an article published last Thursday by La Repubblica, reporter Marco Ansaldo announced that he has a dossier on Pius XII that complements documentation found in the Vatican Archives.

According to the newly discovered documents, Pius XII was considered an enemy of the Third Reich. Memos and letters unearthed at a depot used by the Stasi, the East German secret police, show that Nazi spies within the Vatican were concerned at the Pope's efforts to help displaced Poles and Jews.

One document from the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially."

Russia's motives

In a commentary on the new documents, Sister Margherita Marchione, author and expert on Pius XII, explains the campaign against the Pope was the work of the Soviets.

"Russia's plans were to control Europe after the war. The only outspoken obstacle to Russia's plan in Europe was the Catholic Church," Sister Marchione wrote.

"The first attacks claiming that the Church had endorsed silently the atrocities of the Nazis came from Communist Russia," she explained. "Soon to control Poland, and other vast areas in Eastern Europe, Russia saw the need to break the loyalty to the Pope of Catholic majorities in those countries.

"The plan was a simple one: convince everyone that the Pope supported the hated Nazis during the war and, therefore, neither he nor the Church could be trusted after the war. The destruction of the Church would leave the field wide open for Russian influence and control."


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Judaism; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; bigotry; catholic; germany; hitler; nazis; piusxii; prejudice; revisionism; sanitized
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To: Titanites
Yeah. Where's the "Peter" you keep talking about.

Right there in Matthew 16:17 and in heaven and his bones are in that ossuary on the Mount of Olives there in Jerusalem.

681 posted on 04/12/2007 12:42:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Your little anti-Catholic trolling team there has ignored plenty of requests for proof. Shall I now be expected to be at your beck and call?

LOL


682 posted on 04/12/2007 12:48:29 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Titanites; Petronski; Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE
It is a delusion that the Church is the Whore of Babylon.

Now what brings that topic up in this debate? I just scanned all 682 posts, and I can't find anyone who has said anything of the sort. Do you want that made part of the ongoing discussion?

I'm pinging a few of the more recent "anti-Catholic" posters to make sure I didn't miss something.

683 posted on 04/12/2007 1:05:52 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Petronski
I did not buy it. It was a library book. I was not about to enrich the liar.

Too bad. I had intended to ask you to back up some of the claims against Cornwell with direct quotes from the book. It seems most of the attacks against Cornwell comes from Apologetic Review sites. IOW, one side of the story.
684 posted on 04/12/2007 1:11:52 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: steadfastconservative

Cornwell is a practicing Catholic who actually went fairly easy on Pacelli. Read the book and find out for yourself.


685 posted on 04/12/2007 1:12:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

It’s in the same category of delusional, empty hatred of Catholicism as the KGB/Hochhuth/Cornwell slander on display here.


686 posted on 04/12/2007 1:15:05 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: OLD REGGIE
IOW, one side of the story.

Pot, kettle, etc.

687 posted on 04/12/2007 1:16:08 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Titanites; Uncle Chip; OLD REGGIE; blue-duncan; wmfights
Back in Rome, Pacelli tells the British ambassador: "I had to choose between an agreement and the virtual elimination of the Catholic Church in the Reich." He says a pistol had been held to his head, and that he felt he was negotiating "with the devil himself."

This is ludicrous. By your side's own admission, Pacelli had read "Mein Kampf." If he knew what Hitler planned for the Jews, then this supposed temporary "elimination of the Catholic Church in the Reich" would have been a small price to pay to save so many lives.

Unless of course Pacelli thought Hitler was going to win.

688 posted on 04/12/2007 1:16:36 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Cornwell is a practicing Catholic who actually went fairly easy on Pacelli.

You're lies never end.

689 posted on 04/12/2007 1:17:29 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Meant to ping you to 688.


690 posted on 04/12/2007 1:18:17 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
By your side's own admission...

Admission? LOL

When was it ever denied?




You're little superior dance isn't very forgiving, you know (I mean with your lucid hindsight and all).

691 posted on 04/12/2007 1:19:54 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Petronski
You’re championing a work riddled with lies, beginning with the cover....all motivated by a hatred of the Catholic Church.

I'll not ask for examples any further. I will make a comment though. The entire statement in italics is a lie. Purely and simply a lie.
692 posted on 04/12/2007 1:21:43 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

The only truth in your posts are the quotes you pull from me.


693 posted on 04/12/2007 1:23:05 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Petronski; Titanites
It’s in the same category of delusional, empty hatred of Catholicism as the KGB/Hochhuth/Cornwell slander on display here.

If "things in the same category" makes something on-topic and fair game to bring up, I can think of a lot of "same category" things that we could discuss in this thread, re historical Papal behaviors and politics. You really don't want this thread to go down that path, do you?

694 posted on 04/12/2007 1:28:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Titanites; Uncle Chip; Alex Murphy; wmfights; blue-duncan
I just searched our library and found our First Edition copy of "Hitler's Pope" with our personal notation of when we bought the book, "September, 1999."

All the reviews I've read date from September and October, 1999.

Our copy, like yours, identified the cover photo as 1927.

So where is this erroneous cover for some "other" First Edition that supposedly shows an incorrect date?

695 posted on 04/12/2007 1:29:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy
You really don't want this thread to go down that path, do you?

This thread has bulldozed that path and installed an eight-lane freeway.

696 posted on 04/12/2007 1:32:38 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Titanites; Uncle Chip; Alex Murphy; wmfights; blue-duncan

FYI, the RCC hates this book so much that they’ve bought up the domain name “Hitler’s Pope.”

If you go to http://www.hitlerspope.com"; you arrive at a site that trashes Cornwell’s book and instead substitutes praise for “The myth of Hitler’s Pope.”

Too funny.


697 posted on 04/12/2007 1:34:16 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Titanites
"Have you read it and do you believe that Pacelli/Pius XII conspired with the Nazis to bring Hitler to power...".

Yes I have read the book. I have it right here next to me. Where is your copy?

Listen carefully - I'll shout so you can hear it over the din.

THE BOOK DOES NOT SAY "Pacelli/Pius XII conspired with the Nazis to bring Hitler to power...".

If there are non-Catholics here claiming that deal with them rather than painting me with your tar brush.

If that is the case, why do you champion the book which has as its primary theme that Pacelli was Hitler's Pope?

In your own words; what did Cornwell mean by his choice of the title "Hitler's Pope"?

698 posted on 04/12/2007 1:34:25 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Petronski
This thread has bulldozed that path and installed an eight-lane freeway.

Then I suggest you cancel your E-ZPass, unless you're going to continue using it.

699 posted on 04/12/2007 1:36:22 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: OLD REGGIE
Yes I have read the book. I have it right here next to me. Where is your copy?

Ah, we're required to have one, eh? Much like Mein Kampf or the Little Red Book...

700 posted on 04/12/2007 1:38:12 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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