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To: markomalley

As an evangelical Presbyterian, although I would have preferred to hear a case built on the bible first, rather than simply logic, however, I cannot find fault in Dr. Miris's clear and cogent reasoning. The more I see the fruits of easy sex (I hate to call it the "sexual revolution")--which historically directly follows the availability of contraception, with the culture of death from abortion also quickly following, the more I'm considering that the Roman position on contraception may well indeed be the most godly one.

Still I would think the issue for American Roman Catholic curia would be to find a way to make their case more compelling to average American Roman Catholics (like Sean Hannity) who, I believe, seem to approve of and use contraception as much as those of other faiths. That disconnect, of official Roman teaching, verses, typical lay practice, is one serious issue that evangelicals like I have with Roman Catholicism.


122 posted on 03/21/2007 8:12:52 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

There is no question that contraception has led to some bad things - fornication by those who would formerly have been deterred by the risks; the notion that using contraception is the same as having a right not to be pregnant, hence abortion; birth rates that are too low in some parts of the world; the idea of procreation as an optional part of marriage, etc.

You could also name good things - women not worn down by childbearing and childrearing, families not having more children than they can provide for, women being able to enter other spheres than motherhood - couples being able to have this and the closeness, pleasure, release of intercourse.

Guns facilitate plenty of bad things. Horrible, immoral, unChristian things. Not many people here would say, ban guns.

You are right that there is a vast disconnect between the teaching of the Church and the ordinary Catholic. I am not sure how it can be bridged.

Mrs VS


128 posted on 03/22/2007 9:08:11 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: AnalogReigns
That disconnect, of official Roman teaching, verses, typical lay practice, is one serious issue that evangelicals like I have with Roman Catholicism.

I see the disconnect. But I do not see how truth and human beings failing to follow truth makes truth any less true or less compelling.

Most human beings have a disconnect from what Christ teaches: i.e. love thy neighbor as thyself, love God with all thy heart ... blessed are the meek ... give thy possessions to the poor and follow me ... love thy enemy ... pray for those who persecute thee ...

If we all followed Christ's teachings more closely there would be little discussion on such matters and more unity. If you wait for more Catholics, or anyone else for that matter, to follow this teaching, you will simply be a follower of Catholics and not of the truth.

Heck we both know that only grace can allow anyone to follow Christ, regardless of his denomination. I'd rather be with you in truth, than against you in almost truth. Christ has provided the grace sufficient for all of us to follow the truth. We simply must accept it.

although I would have preferred to hear a case built on the bible first, rather than simply logic

Do yourself a favor and get an audio tape by Christopher West on John Paul II's "Theology of the Body". The Theology of the Body is based on the bible from Genesis to the Gospels.
130 posted on 03/22/2007 10:29:36 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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