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To: wmfights
FWIW, ask how those doctrines and dogmas were arrived at and what was the environment. Then measure those doctrines and dogma against the only true solid source we have, Scripture. If these doctrines and dogmas stand then you are probably where you were meant to be. If you have doubts, pray and study Scripture for the answers.

Good advice, absolutely. I have done that with the doctrines of the Church, by the way. First among my (previously) Protestant notions to fall was sola scriptura. Without that, there's no reason to believe that every doctrine must EXPLICITLY be in the Bible. On the contrary, now, I believe that nothing can CONTRADICT Scripture, a wholly different statement (if you don't see it as such, think about it some, I'm sure you will).

From this understanding, the errancy of sola scriptura, I have now come to understand that while not every doctrine of the Church is explicitly in Scripture, none of it violates Scripture. Is that statement debatable? Yes, but only if one still adheres to the notion of sola scriptura. In sola scriptura, the entire notion that the Church is erroneous in Her claims rests, and in its (sola scriptura's) error, the Protestant notion of "read the Bible for yourself" falls flat on its face. Scripture is a guide, a "fact checker" if you will, never to be violated, but not the source of all dogma/doctrine for all time.

Understanding the fundamental error of sola scriptura is the key to understanding the error of the entire "Reformation". It is, for me, the foundation upon which my faith on the Church rests, and indeed, there exists no Scripture or combination of Scriptures that have the key elements, "Written word" and "Only" in them, with relation to doctrine. IOW, the absolute statement, without qualifiers, "The WRITTEN word is the ONLY source of doctrine" (emphasis added) exist no where in Scripture.

Without such, there exists no proof for sola scriptura.

673 posted on 03/15/2007 12:03:48 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
...there's no reason to believe that every doctrine must EXPLICITLY be in the Bible.

If this is where you believe you should be I'm sure you agree with all those things that "Tradition" has brought you. I will pray that you come to understand what it is to be BORN AGAIN.

Scripture is a guide, a "fact checker" if you will, never to be violated, but not the source of all dogma/doctrine for all time.

When you decide you can have "other things" than what is in Scripture you end up with men determining if and when you are saved, by means of their doctrines and dogmas. Almost all disagreement with the RC and EO sects can be laid at the feet of "Tradition".

"The WRITTEN word is the ONLY source of doctrine" (emphasis added) exist no where in Scripture. Without such, there exists no proof for sola scriptura.

You really don't understand what Sola Scriptura is, or just insist on not understanding it. It is not a complicated idea. Most simply explained, Sola Scriptura means all doctrines must be based on Scripture and consistant with Scripture.

706 posted on 03/15/2007 12:53:49 PM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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