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To: FourtySeven
If you don't explain how it's wrong, I have no reason to believe it is, after all, many of the statements I gave about the particular denominations are straight off their respective websites' statements of faiths. Don't know how much more factual I could get.

Links to those original statements (or at least a link to the apologetics resource you used) would prove helpful.

461 posted on 03/12/2007 4:11:39 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Ok, well it might be helpful (so I'm not chasing rabbit trails), if you told me:

1. Which ones you automatically reject as "cults" and...
2. Which statements that remain you believe are false.

If you don't want to do that, then to answer your question generally, #1 is clear, anyone knows that. Similarly for #10. And #7. And #4. The statements regarding those points are known by virtually anyone with a casual knowledge of those faiths.

The proof of the rest can actually be found at the link I provided in post #457. That website's chart has links to the relevant statement of faiths of the faith in question. It links directly to the different faith's own websites.

I do not feel I should be forced to provide those links separately, as they are all separately provided at the site in #457. But as an example, let me anticipate that you have difficulty believing my assertion that Lutherans "discourage, but do not explicitly condemn, premarital sex".

http://www.elca.org/socialstatements/sexuality/

That is the relevant statement and note, in the section entitled "Promiscuity" (which is the only one that seems to address the issue), while "casual sex" is condemned, it doesn't say "premarital sex". In other words, anyone who is an average person in todays sexually free society, very well could interpret that as, "Well, I don't SLEEP AROUND, I don't have CASUAL sex, but I don't believe we should wait until marriage before I have sex, for goodness sakes!" And there's nothing in the Lutheran statement to say they are wrong.

I don't know why a reasonable person would say differently. Note, in the same section ( http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/denominations_ethics.htm ) , the other churches that have taken a stand (made a statement on the issue) CLEARLY state that ALL sex before marriage is wrong, again, backed up by their own website's statements.

So, go ahead, go to the website in #457. The statements are all there. I'm not going to track down each statement and prove it with independent websites (as again THAT IS there on the website from #457, it will just take some work on your part to see it).

If you have a question about a particular statement however, then tell me. I'll be happy to track down a specific objection. But again, I don't want to chase down rabbit trails, on groups you may consider cults.


464 posted on 03/12/2007 4:35:11 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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