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1 posted on 02/28/2007 6:28:54 PM PST by NYer
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In his "Tale of the Antichrist" Solovyov foresees that a small group of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants will resist and will say to the Antichrist: "You give us everything, except what interests us, Jesus Christ."
2 posted on 02/28/2007 6:30:18 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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THANK YOU.

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AN EXCELLENT SERMON. I agree rather wholeheartedly. Praise God.

Especially:

Cardinal Biffi told his listeners that "the Antichrist presents himself as pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist."

"He will convoke an ecumenical council and will seek the consensus of all the Christian confessions, granting something to each one. The masses will follow him, with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants," he said.

The cardinal added that Solovyov says in that work: "Days will come in Christianity in which they will try to reduce the salvific event to a mere series of values."

No cross

In his "Tale of the Antichrist" Solovyov foresees that a small group of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants will resist and will say to the Antichrist: "You give us everything, except what interests us, Jesus Christ."

For Cardinal Biffi, this narrative is a warning: "Today, in fact, we run the risk of having a Christianity which puts aside Jesus with his cross and resurrection."


3 posted on 02/28/2007 6:39:25 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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"Today, in fact, we run the risk of having a Christianity which puts aside Jesus with his cross and resurrection."

It's already happening.

4 posted on 02/28/2007 6:42:06 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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The cardinal said he believes that this is "the danger that Christians face in our days … the Son of God cannot be reduced to a series of good projects sanctioned by the prevailing worldly mentality."

Curious, what do you think he means by this?

7 posted on 02/28/2007 6:49:34 PM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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I'd actually love the swarm to join in this discussion!


8 posted on 02/28/2007 6:49:41 PM PST by dangus
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"He will convoke an ecumenical council and will seek the consensus of all the Christian confessions, granting something to each one. The masses will follow him, with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants," he said.

I'll be part of the small group that doesn't follow Antichrist. Anyone else?

10 posted on 02/28/2007 6:57:19 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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I agree with the Cardinal. A set of ethical values can't provide an transformational experience. They're what comes from a transformational experience.

13 posted on 02/28/2007 7:19:18 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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The masses will follow him, with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants," he said.

Ecumenical bump!!!

14 posted on 02/28/2007 7:19:28 PM PST by marshmallow
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Absolutely excellent. Bravo! and extra prayers for Cardinal Biffi.


18 posted on 02/28/2007 8:49:20 PM PST by Maeve (Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet)
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BTTT

A worthy read and worth discussing, imho.


21 posted on 02/28/2007 8:55:51 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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BTTT

A worthy read and worth discussing, imho.


22 posted on 02/28/2007 8:55:54 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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Quoting the work "Three Dialogues on War, Progress and the End of History," Cardinal Biffi told his listeners that "the Antichrist presents himself as pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist."

We are seeing that right now. Look at the PDL founder, and the havoc it is causing across confessional lines. Most Christians today in the West do know Christ.

Come Lord Jesus.

28 posted on 03/01/2007 5:54:57 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Quoting the work "Three Dialogues on War, Progress and the End of History," Cardinal Biffi told his listeners that "the Antichrist presents himself as pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist."

Al Gore?

32 posted on 03/01/2007 6:04:10 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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---"if Christianity -- on opening itself to the world and dialoguing with all -- dilutes the salvific event, it closes itself to a personal relationship with Jesus and places itself on the side of the Antichrist."---

Sounds like more than one liberal church.


33 posted on 03/01/2007 6:04:15 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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The cardinal added that Solovyov says in that work: "Days will come in Christianity in which they will try to reduce the salvific event to a mere series of values."

There's been a tendency in modernist circles to do just that for decades. In fact, I think that's what modernism is all about ... deny the supernatural, deny the Divine, just try to make everything happy, warm and fuzzy. It's nauseating.

34 posted on 03/01/2007 6:06:04 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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The cardinal said he believes that this is "the danger that Christians face in our days … the Son of God cannot be reduced to a series of good projects sanctioned by the prevailing worldly mentality."

Sounds like liberal protestant theology....

47 posted on 03/01/2007 7:59:10 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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Well looky looky. The City of Evil is doing doing pacifism and environmentalism ... all they need is ecumenism.
57 posted on 03/01/2007 9:10:51 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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This article makes me think of a song I recently discovered, and which I want to share...


Saxon "Crusader" Lyrics

Crusader 6:33
(Who dares battle the Saracen)

Crusader, crusader, please take me with you
The battle lies far to the east
Crusader, crusader, don't leave me alone
I want to ride out on your quest
I'm waiting, I'm waiting, to stand by your side
To fight with you over the sea
They're calling, they're calling, I have to be there
The holy land has to be free

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Fight the good fight
With all your might
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

We're marching, we're marching, to a land far from home
No one can say who'll return
For Christendom's sake, we'll take our revenge
On the pagans from out of the east
We Christians are coming, with swords held on high
United by faith and the cause
The Saracen heathen will soon taste our steel
Our standards will rise 'cross the land

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Fight the good fight
With all your might
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

To battle, to battle, the Saracen hordes
We follow the warrior king
Onward, ride onward, into the fight
We carry the sign of the cross
Warlords of England, Knights of the Realm
Spilling their blood in the sand
Crusader, crusader, the legend is born
The future will honour your deeds

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Fight the good fight
With all your might
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

(Come Crusader let battle commence)

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
60 posted on 03/01/2007 9:43:11 AM PST by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum!)
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good stuff


93 posted on 03/01/2007 5:16:48 PM PST by Diago ("Upon hearing about such things, I confess that I'm tempted to look for my shotgun and baseball bat")
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"...because he is Truth, Beauty and Justice".


This bears repeating.


106 posted on 03/01/2007 7:22:29 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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