Posted on 02/18/2007 7:30:33 PM PST by freedomdefender
A retired Air Force officer who now spends his days authoring books on Christianity has posted an online collection of recordings he believes captures voices and music of God's angels in heaven.
Angelic statue in Lommel, Belgium (photo: Jan Schiphorst, used with permission)
"I have four specific recordings of angels singing in church settings," Jim Bramlett of Lake Mary, Fla., told WND. "It happened supernaturally. There's no other explanation. It's either from God or from the devil, and I don't think the devil is in the business of worshipping Jesus. That is not in his job description."
Bramlett, 76, collected the tapes from various sources in recent years, and has now put them on his ChoicesForLiving website, where readers can click on several links to listen to three recordings made in the U.S., and one from China.
The Feb. 6, 1996, recording at the Greater Grace World Outreach Church in Baltimore, Md., starts off with a woman playing a piano, and gradually, accompanying voices are heard in the background. Bramlett described them as "beautiful voices of beings who were not in the service."
Jim Bramlett
"I have the full tape with the pastor discussing the situation with the congregation, and about 25 people gave testimony to hearing the voices. They were all in awe at what had happened."
Another recording took place at the Carpenter's Home Church in Lakeland, Fla., and features a 10-minute, sustained sound after a call to praise by a minister.
"They seem to lift the praise of the congregation to a totally new and awesome level, and it just goes on and on. The intensity and consistency are clearly supernatural and beyond the ability of the congregation," explains Bramlett, a former vice president at the Christian Broadcasting Network where he spent nine years.
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A woman who says she and her husband were at the Lakeland service wrote Bramlett to vouch for the authenticity of what took place:
"The tape of the Florida meeting was exactly like the way it sounds. Glenn and I were there during those meetings, and if it wasn't this one then there is another tape of a meeting where [the phenomenon] happened again. The one we were in went on and on and stopped abruptly. Silence for about a minute then a male voice sang out 'Glooooory' and several women's voices from different directions echoed 'Gloooooory' in perfect harmony, and the praise and worship started up all over again."
Perhaps the most stunning of all the recordings is thought to be from a church in Kansas City, where there is not only an audible chorus of "Hallelujah" – meaning "praise God" – but also the voice of a male soloist who purportedly was not present. The lyrics of the mysterious solo were transcribed as follows:
Hallelujah, breathe it all across the land Everybody's singing at the Lord's command All the saints and the angels up in glory wait to hear the news of Jesus and his children as they're coming through. Though he doesn't have it on tape, Wayne Warmack of Greater Works Ministries in Rogers, Ark., says he and his wife, Sandy, personally heard angelic voices during a Passover celebration last April at a lakeside retreat center near Marianna, Fla.
"I began to distinctly hear wordless voices in perfect harmony with us, that were clearly not coming from me or Sandy, or the other 20 or so people present in the room. They sort of drifted in and out of my hearing while I struggled to maintain my composure and continue the song," Warmack said. "If you've ever heard that sound, it leaves you a different person than when you came in. I can't describe it. There's just no way to describe it. It is definitely heard with more than just the physical ears."
But not everyone is joining the chorus of hallelujahs.
Steven Novella
Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University School of Medicine and president of the New England Skeptical Society, analyzed the electronic voice phenomenon, or EVP, at WND's request.
"The fatal problem with this entire type of evidence is that there is no way to validate or invalidate the source of sound on a recording. Therefore it has no discriminating value," Novella said. "Personal testimony is not reliable as evidence and is not acceptable scientifically. Choosing to have faith in the persons making the angel-voice claims is no different than just having faith in angels in the first place, so the recordings don't get you anywhere."
Novella discussed some of the specific claims made by Bramlett and others who suggest the source of the sound is supernatural:
"There seems to be no doubt they are angelic voices." They sound like human voices to me. This is just a bold assertion without supporting argument or evidence.
" ... about 25 people gave testimony to hearing the voices. They were all in awe at what had happened." Not uncommon for a congregation of believers sharing a common belief and being swept into an emotional fervor by an experienced preacher. Not exactly dispassionate testimony.
"I have had this tape for several years but I recently found a cleaner version of it on the Internet, preceded by an explanation. I do not know the identity of the narrator." This reminds of the "Jesus in the clouds" picture that keeps cropping up. When the same piece of evidence keeps coming up in different contexts and situations, that strongly suggests fraud. Also, the angels in this recording were playing bass guitar and horn, and at one point broke into a pretty funky beat. It's actually pretty laughable. Also, it was noted that the angel voices were not noticed until the recording was played back, so nothing was heard during the recording. This is a red flag for a recording artifact. The simplest explanation is that the recording was made over a prior recording of a choir singing with accompanying music, and they heard the two recordings superimposed when they played it back.
So, bottom line, these are all worthless as evidence. They are being offered uncritically by people who already believe, are not questioning the angel claims, and who are committing some logical fallacies.
"I think his explanations are nonsense," responded Bramlett.
"Over the years, I have found there are negative skeptics and cynics out there on every subject. It is easy to find them. They are so predictable, and they typically reject anything supernatural. They have to, because to admit it would be tantamount to admitting to a God to whom they are accountable. They cannot permit that. It is as simple as that. Biblically speaking, you could say they are spiritually dead and they think everything must have a natural, material explanation."
The concept of supernatural beings called angels has a strong basis in Scripture. In the King James Version of the Bible, the word "angel" is found 201 times in 192 verses, while "angels" occurs 94 times in 92 verses.
At least two are named – Michael and Gabriel – and the New Testament describes a galactic conflict involving angels at war with each other.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels (Revelation 12:7)
The Bible also records numerous instances of angels appearing to humans and even having discussions with them.
The angel Gabriel appears to the virgin Mary in 1898's 'The Annunciation' by Pennsylvania artist Henry Ossawa Tanner
The 19th chapter of Genesis indicates two angels helped rescue Lot and his family from the ancient city of Sodom; Luke 1:26 shows the angel Gabriel being dispatched by God to the town of Nazareth to inform Mary she would miraculously become pregnant with Jesus; and Hebrews 13:2 reminds people to "entertain strangers," since some strangers might actually be angels.
Bramlett believes angels are still making appearances in our modern day, and he documents several purported instances on his website.
"Some say that true reality is spiritual, not physical," he said. "The supernatural breaks through [into our dimension], and it's exciting when it does."
Yeah, it could have been voices, but it could also have been a synthesizer or organ.
Could be. :-)
But most likely, one, or all, of the 25 people in the room whom the very nice lady was leading in spontaneous worship is what we hear (or did they dub out all those "off-key" voices and dub in "angels"?)
You are sadly mistaken.
Or intentionally dishonest.
Cannot tell which.
It doesn't say the people were singing....I have been used to bring forth a prophetic song in our church at times...no one in the congregation sings with me at these times. So just because they were there doesn't necessarily mean they were part of the prophetic song.
We have, at times, heard violins being played during our worship practices...there are no violins. We have been singing and have heard the heavenly choir fill the room...there are 9 people on our team...Far more sound than we are capable of making.
I have been leading worship and seen a mist fill the room....the heaviness of the Lord is tangible. We have had some incredible experiences during worship. Jesus is alive and well and still making His presence known to us. If we can touch the angel choirs and have them join us in song..all the better.
Suppressed?? You're perfectly free to sing songs from 1789 and 1912 all day long if you like. It's a free country. Just because I don't want to sing (or frankly, hear) them in no way means "your music" is being "suppressed."
Nor does it give you license to denigrate others who don't particularly get anything out of the music you personally revere, and who prefer something more in keeping with the culture of the 21st century.
If some of these newer songs are worthy, they will join the canon.
Canon? I wasn't aware that there was a "canon" of officially-inspired music. Which council decided that?
As far as gaining acceptance, a lot of new music has already gained acceptance. In fact, from where I'm sitting, the old music from 1912 is likely to die with you.
You don't build a brave, new world by destroying your history, son.
Nor can you hang on to every bit of what has passed. Can you speak Middle English? Here, give it a try:
Syððan wæs geworden þæt he ferde þurh þa ceastre and þæt castel: godes rice prediciende and bodiende. and hi twelfe mid. And sume wif þe wæron gehælede of awyrgdum gastum: and untrumnessum: seo magdalenisce maria ofþære seofan deoflu uteodon: and iohanna chuzan wif herodes gerefan: and susanna and manega oðre þe him of hyra spedum þenedon.
And by the way, don't call me "son" unless you're prepared to leave me an inheritance. My dad died a long time ago.
Are you the real Caesar Soze? I thought you didn't exist!?
I would still maintain that the best Catholic music HAS been supressed, much of it thrown away, and if it really was a matter of personal tastes and not an attempt to silence those who don't want to lose our heritage, I wouldn't object.
I like the middle english. That was really cool. What does it say?
I like the middle english. That was really cool. What does it say?
It's Luke 8:1-3:
After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.
Why would that upset the Roman Catholic Church?
I have a couple of their CDs. If you like EWF, you should enjoy Salvador.
Thank you for mentioning that.....yes, we Catholics do have some of the most beautiful music EVER written.
You can NOT be serious......you really do need to educate yourself about the Catholic Church teachings to comment on them without sounding like a fool.
Their music (all 15 seconds of the song on Amazon) sounded excellent; great horns & rhythm.
You have Mozart, we have Bach. ;-)
This is how they spelled Jesus? It's bizarre because our language today seems so much more Latinate than that passage, but you can clearly see the latin in it. Perhaps when the French got mixed up in the English it returned it to its Romance Language roots.
Actually, I DO like some newer Christian music, I attended an alternative church for several years alongside my traditional church attendance. I particularly like the edgier, harder stuff because I think the "folk mass" style had passed its prime by 1980.
It seems insane, but in the Catholic church we're having to do research and dig and scrabble to find copies of music that was in use just forty years ago, and given the means of recording it then it seems unconcionable that it all could have been thrown away. That's what I mean by supressed.
My conservative philosophy can be summed up by "Question everything, preserve the good." I believe that novelty for its own sake is very, very dangerous to us and to our way of life and that it has nearly destroyed us.
I believe I am partly to blame for that and so I'm devoting the rest of my life to preserving and restoring the good and wholesome things of the past to the extent that I can.
My conservative philosophy can be summed up by "Question everything, preserve the good." I believe that novelty for its own sake is very, very dangerous to us and to our way of life and that it has nearly destroyed us.
I would agree with you that novelty simply for the sake of novelty can be a bad thing, particularly when people make the assumption that "new" or "different" necessarily implies inherently "better." Often, it isn't. This is evident throughout our culture and especially when it comes to "family structure."
Modern worship music is often taken from scripture. The worship in our church was done by the children today and it was amazing. God does NOT fit into our little box. He's about doing what HE wants to do in our churches through the music HE puts on people's hearts. I've been in Catholic churches and they know nothing about harmony from what I can hear. The music doesn't inspire worship from what I've seen and heard. Baptists sing hymns better than almost anyone and spirit-filled churches sing worship songs better than most anyone. And we like hymns, too! Thank God he's not as persnickety as some folks here. God is present in many kinds of music.
I love sacred music and I love singing it, but there's a lot of other good music out there as well. I love singing sacred melodies in our church because we need to hear them. They're very anointed.
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