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Islam, Protestantism and Divergence from Catholicism
Faith Magazine ^ | January-February 2007 | Francis Lynch

Posted on 02/17/2007 11:55:27 AM PST by Titanites

Protestantism and Islam: Points of Contact

Protestantism may well have begun as a genuine movement of reform. Accepting the teachings of the Church, its adherents wanted to bring the practice of the Church into line with its teachings. This is the object of all Christian movements. However, it very soon developed into something far more radical, jettisoning basic Christian teachings, bringing in doctrines entirely new to Christianity, and having to meld the results into a coherent whole. This involved developing doctrinal and practical solutions to new problems in the field of Christian faith and morals.

Most of Protestant teaching was conventional Christianity, with some being revived from St Augustine and the early fathers. Where there is novelty there is also often a strong similarity with Islamic doctrine. Perhaps there is an interestingly similar dynamic involved in the rejection of traditional Christianity that both these belief systems, to varying extents, share. Whilst the very title of “Protestantism” depicts its genesis as a reactive movement, it is the case that strong protests against the Christian doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation form part of the Koran and so of Islamic faith. It is also noteworthy that Luther issued his own translation of the Koran in 1542, along with a confutation of its soteriology—the key point of Islamic and protestant divergence.

Islam was not a distant or peripheral force in the Europe of the 1520s. The Ottoman Empire had taken Constantinople in 1454. Many scholars had fled to the west, especially to Rome, bringing with them first-hand knowledge of Islam and its practices. Some of these may well still have been alive when Luther visited Rome in 1510. A resurgent Ottoman Empire took Belgrade in 1520 and Hungary in 1526, coming to the very heart of Europe.

Scriptural Fundamentalism

Protestantism was a move closer to the Islamic view of Scriptural authority. The traditional Christian view is that Christ founded the Church which wrote the Scriptures, ratified them and gains constant nourishment from them. Their definitive meaning derives from the same Church which produced them. Luther’s view that Scripture is the only guide to faith and practice is similar to the Islamic view of the Koran. As Muslims are gradually discovering, this view is too optimistic: all Bible believing Protestants from Luther to the present-day have required a huge substructure of unacknowledged assumptions and beliefs by which they interpret the Bible, and which don’t come from it.

One of the most popular Islamic criticisms of “Christianity” is to show that the divergence in interpretation of the Bible is far greater than that concerning the Koran. Seeing such divergence as evidence against Christianity is based upon the Protestant-Islamic view of scripture (and in any case the gap is gradually closing). The Koran had described Jews and Christians as ‘people of the book’, which can be misleading. All literate religions have sacred books, but to suggest |24| JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2007 faith that the Scriptures of the Christians and Jews are the key element of these religions is mistaken. The Protestant emphasis did give an added impetus to the wider distribution of the Scriptures in translation. Again, this echoes the Koran, which was written in the language to be understood by the people.

Anti-sacramentalism

The Reformation was also a move in the direction of Islamic belief on the question of the sacraments, and related ideas about the priesthood. Sacraments, by which grace is given to the people, are a crucial part of Christianity. One of the key sacraments is Holy Orders since only the priest says Mass, hears confessions, confirms, ordains and annoints. Islam has no priesthood, no sacraments, no sacrifice, no temple, and no altar. These things are not unrelated. The priest is one who (in any religion) offers sacrifice and the altar is the place of sacrifice. A religion without sacrifice does not have priests or altars. Luther’s denial that Holy Orders is a sacrament changed the nature of the priesthood.

The priest tended to become a minister or a functionary with duties more akin to a schoolmaster than a sacred person. He no longer wore symbolic vestments, but rather, like everybody else, he wore the uniform of his trade. The vessels (if any) were not sacred and could be handled by anyone. The altar became a table, to be moved as required. The church itself commonly became a meeting place, with no sacred character, and needed no special reverence when not in use for services. The services themselves tended to concentrate on the readings from the Scriptures (in the vernacular) and the sermon became a central part of the service.

Protestantism is then a convergence with the Islamic understanding of ministry and religious services. Luther, and most Protestants, retained two sacraments: Baptism and the Eucharist. Both of these soon lost their sacramental character. When baptism became “believers’ baptism”, the decisive step became faith in Christ (and the Scriptures) and baptism became not an infusion of faith and grace, but only the public acknowledgement of faith. This comes very close to Islamic practice; one becomes a Moslem by acknowledging ones faith in Islam in front of witnesses. This is all a shadow of the Judaeo- Catholic sense of God’s abiding, sanctifying, sacrificial, ritualistic presence amongst his people.

Radical Individualism

Two other points relating to the priesthood are relevant here. Firstly, the Christian priest is a Pontifex, a bridge, a constant channel of grace between God and man and is often a channel of prayer from man to God. He prays for the dead. None of these occur in Islam, or in Protestantism. Islam in fact explicitly denies that the living can help the dead in any way, as do most branches of Protestantism. Secondly we have issues of priestly celibacy, monasticism and religious vows. Christianity has always admired and looked up to monks and hermits, seeing in them a real attempt to forsake this world for the Kingdom of God. It has always admired and usually demanded celibacy from its priests. The Koran itself praised Christian monks for their charity and benevolence, but there was no place in Islam for monasticism. Celibacy was despised. Protestants deprecated both celibacy and monasticism and both virtually disappeared from Protestant countries. Luther had been a monk and had taken solemn vows, but readily forsook those vows to get married. Generally, Christians take vows very seriously but in Islam they are easily dispensed if they become inconvenient. In the play A Man for All Seasons St Thomas More says that when we take a vow we hold our very selves in our hands. You don’t get this in Islam, or in Luther.

We turn now to the destruction of images. Luther allowed and other reformers encouraged or even enforced a widespread and devastating iconoclasm. The fury of this destruction may be traced to the sacred or sometimes miraculous reputations of some images, or to their association with prayers for the dead, or perhaps to social causes. A similar iconoclasm had occurred in the Byzantine Empire in the eighth century under the influence of Islam. Islam and Protestantism rejected both images, and the intercession of saints often associated with them.

Marriage and the Position of Women Undermined

Turning to morals, it has often been noticed that the ethics of most religious systems are very similar to each other. Those of Islam and Catholicism differ most in the areas of marriage and the position of women and of the relation between religion and state.

A Muslim is expected to marry. But marriage is a contract with the possibility of divorce is built into it, not a lifelong commitment. Polygamy is also allowed. Less well-known is the fact that a man may also, in certain cases, keep concubines. Traditional Christianity forbids these things but the early Protestants allowed all of these arrangements. One of the scandals of the Reformation was the bigamous marriage of Philip of Hesse, conducted by Luther himself. Luther was not keen on it; he suggested concubinage as a compromise.

One of the greatest and most far reaching of the changes in the social life of Europe caused by the Reformation concerned the position of women. Outside |25| faith the domestic circles, the main channel for education and advancement for women was the church. They were educated at convent schools, could rise to become prioresses or abbesses of great houses and were numbered amongst the scholars, Saints, mystics and martyrs of the church. Many achieved fame for their letters or spiritual writings, women like Juliana of Norwich, Catherine of Siena. and Theresa of Avila.

Furthermore, they could find constant visual aids and role models in Our Lady and the female saints depicted in churches and books. All these were swept away in Protestant countries. This doesn’t seem to have been an oversight. Many of the reformers had a deep distrust of women in any positions of power. The domestic position of women could have become grim as well were it not that that the early Protestant experiments in this area were effectively abandoned. Polygamy never caught on. The official recognition of concubinage was short lived, and divorce became very rare to be indulged in only by the rich.

State Theocracy

What about the relations between church and state? The Ottoman Sultan claimed to be the successor of Muhammad and the spiritual leader of all the Muslims. He was of course still bound by the Koran and Islamic practices, but there was no conflict between church and state. This appealed to many reformers. It became a model for Protestant states, where generally the prince, rather than a priest, was head of the church, and at the highest level directed its affairs. Finally, Luther believed that reason was so corrupted by sin that it could not be relied upon. The radical transcendence of Allah produces a similar downplaying of the harmony of faith and reason.

I have tried to suggest that many of the major Protestant innovations have a relationship with Islam. Perhaps there are sociological similarities. One might even think that some of the Protestant ‘innovations’ were not really novelties at all. I would certainly not suggest that Protestantism imported every idea from Islam, clearly most of the key Protestant ideas are Christian. Nor do I think that all the innovations came from Islam. Outstanding exceptions are justification by faith alone, and possibly the Protestant distaste shown towards pilgrimages and honouring the saints. There may be something to learn from all this about the way in which pious men rebel against the idea of divine, incarnational authority and activity living on down the centuries in the Church.


TOPICS: Catholic; Islam; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: antisacramentalism; bickering; catholic; catholicbashing; catholicism; fundamentalism; ignoringislam; individualism; islam; letthewhiningbegin; lynch; priesthood; protestantbash; theocracy; truth
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To: bornacatholic

I'm a Calvinist Christian, and find this article a profitable consideration of the influences floating around "back then." Luther, I seem to recall, expected that muslims and jews would flock into his churches, once he'd scraped off the offensive Catholic barnacles. He was wrong, and resentful.


201 posted on 02/20/2007 8:12:42 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley
A Calvinist scholar, David Chilton, suggested that the Reformers borrowed their notion of ears-only worship from Islam. As a former Catholic, I can attest to the power of the liturgical year and colors to structure time for God's glory.

That is an interesting perspective.

202 posted on 02/20/2007 8:16:56 AM PST by Titanites
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To: Enosh
The Mormons are here. Protestants will squabble with them.

(Parenthetically and sotto voce, the Latter Day Saints have been called "the American Islam.") I happen to like Mormons, and pray for God's blessings to rest on O. S. Card, the one big-name s.f. novelist with the horsepower to publically honor the Lord Jesus Christ in a hostile genre.

203 posted on 02/20/2007 8:17:29 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley
"Well, Jesus called the rabbinic judaism of his day, with its notion that talmud took precdence over torah, a heretical national misadventure."

Within the bounds of Judaism it may well have been. But Christians have no business calling Jews heretics any more than we can call Hindus heretics. Neither pretend to be Christians. Now Hindus may be pagans, but they are not heretics. Jews are neither vis a vis Christianity. They have their own covenant with God which we as Christians believe we have succeeded to. Mohammedanism is a type of Christian heresy, or so the Fathers taught. From the pov of The Church, so is Reformed Protestantism.
204 posted on 02/20/2007 8:18:47 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: TomSmedley
I seem to recall, expected that muslims and jews would flock into his churches, once he'd scraped off the offensive Catholic barnacles. He was wrong, and resentful.

It is truly unfortunate that it did not work.

205 posted on 02/20/2007 8:32:03 AM PST by Titanites
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To: livius
Muslims had to keep their text in its original language because of the "information science" limitations of their time.

Emir Caner, a Baptist convert from Islam and seminary professor, publically bemoaned one aspect of the printing press -- people no longer memorized the entire NT.

206 posted on 02/20/2007 8:47:59 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Marysecretary

Jesus founded one Church. He never spoke about 7 churches. St. Paul addressed different local churches in his epistles and these churches were all part of the one Church founded by Christ.

I'm not accusing you of heresy. You don't belong to the Church, so you can't dissent from it. You come by your error honestly. Now, smile! Doesn't that make you feel better?


207 posted on 02/20/2007 8:49:21 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: RobbyS
I suppose you're right. If the pastor doesn't believe that Christ is truly present in the Sacrament (as He told us He would be), the order of the liturgy doesn't help much.
208 posted on 02/20/2007 11:25:33 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Odd that the nondenominational churches are so indifferent to liturgy. The New Testament is very unspecific about the order of service, but the outline is there: Scripture, song, prayer AND the breaking of the bread. But the Lord's Supper , so important to the early Christians, as we see in Justin Martyr, is so downplayed. Such as order as they have follows Geneva. Ironically, Calvin himself would have preferred something more like what Cranmer created. Except he didn't want to impose. His fierceness did not extend to trying to dominate people. As I read Calvin, he would have accepted much of the panapoly of the Church in order to change the theology, in this being like Luther indifferent to externals. In short, he was not a Puritan.


209 posted on 02/20/2007 11:39:37 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: steadfastconservative

I believe, whether there were seven churches or seventy churches, that the Roman Catholic Church is NOT the one true church. There were other churches at that time and if you believe the RC is the only one, go for it, but it wasn't.


210 posted on 02/21/2007 11:44:18 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: EternalHope

Exactly. There are many differences, usually doctrinal but not scriptural, but there are many things we believe that are the same. We get caught up in ritual instead of in the Saviour. Thanks. xxx


211 posted on 02/21/2007 11:47:53 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: RobbyS
There is an interesting thread called Protestant Liturgics which addresses some of your comments regarding liturgy in nondenominational churches.
212 posted on 02/21/2007 12:09:39 PM PST by Titanites
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To: walden
Heck, that's where the party is! It's where you want to go.

I had to comment on this - it appears according to polls taken by secular organizations as well as research undertaken by the Church Herself, that many people have the idea of Heaven being a very boring place. It's nice to see the contrary!

213 posted on 02/21/2007 12:52:11 PM PST by technochick99 (www.YourDogStuff.com)
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To: Titanites

I don't normally poke into the catholic-protestant threads. Can you tell me, is this really where modern catholicism is at this point? If so, catholicism is even more messed up than I thought.


214 posted on 02/21/2007 12:57:31 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Blogger
The prevailing religion of Arabia at that time WAS indeed paganism, though Muhammad was well aware of the "people of the book", ...

Thanks, Blogger, for a great history lesson. With the Apostolics wrongly comparing us to Islam so often, I didn't think about how much THEY actually have in common. Good stuff.

215 posted on 02/22/2007 6:10:06 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: RobbyS

Your Pope said that they worship the same God as the Jews and Christians.


216 posted on 02/22/2007 7:20:40 PM PST by Blogger
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To: steadfastconservative; Marysecretary

Uhhhhh......
Revelation 1:
18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.


217 posted on 02/22/2007 7:25:51 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Who is the God of Abraham and in an imperfect sense also the God of Moses and Jesus.


218 posted on 02/22/2007 8:00:26 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
The God they worship is not the God of the Jews. COMPARED WITH Who is the God of Abraham and in an imperfect sense also the God of Moses and Jesus.
Uh???? IN NO SENSE is Allah the God of Moses or Jesus. NONE. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH. Just because someone stole some ideas from the Bible and fabricated a story then said "Same God, but ours is more perfect" doesn't mean that they are right. Muslims worship Satan. They do not realize it for he comes mascarading at God. Anyone who claims that they worship the same God as the Hebrews or Christians is supporting the works of Satan. They have a different God. They deny the deity of Christ. They deny His crucifixion. They deny His resurrection. And, they have a works plus faith in Allah religion. They are anti-Christ and the statements that have been made to the contrary, be they from John Paul II or George W Bush (who I like) are anti-Christ as well. DO NOT COMPROMISE ON THE ESSENTIALS OR YOU WILL HAVE NO GROUND FOR ANY KIND OF TRUTH CLAIMS PERIOD.
219 posted on 02/22/2007 8:30:15 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger

If they stole the idea of God from the Bible, that God is stlll God. The God depicted in the Koran has some but not all of the attributes attributed to God by Jews and by Christians.


220 posted on 02/22/2007 8:46:24 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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