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Pope: From Lourdes to Seoul, I entrust the world’s sick and suffering to Mary [Catholic Caucus]
Asia News ^ | 02.11.07

Posted on 02/11/2007 9:10:57 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Running On Empty; neocon

ROE, thank you for altering me to this post.

Neocon, thank you for your post. You have covered a lot of the things that have bothered me here.

I am appalled by the behavior of some here on this forum. And, from what I can tell it is not for the sake of furthering the great discussion. There isn't even sanctuary in the caucus threads. I don't think a day goes by where I don't read some nasty, snarky comment or see a post that was removed, and this is on the caucus threads. I visit those more often, because time is precious to me, having two small children, and I am looking for edification and support in my faith. What do I find? Snide comments from those who wish to tear me down, on my walk with Christ. I don't know about to rest of you, but I don't wander around here looking for a fight. I am here looking to learn. And I have learned a lot about my fellow brothers in Christ.


41 posted on 02/13/2007 8:47:50 AM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: LiteKeeper
Enjoy
42 posted on 02/13/2007 8:49:15 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Iscool; All
We don't believe for a nanosecond that your church was the one Jesus Christ founded...

Your church is "invisible" if I recall correctly.

43 posted on 02/13/2007 8:57:49 AM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frank Sheed

LOL!


44 posted on 02/13/2007 9:14:28 AM PST by Running On Empty
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To: Frank Sheed
Very nice!
45 posted on 02/13/2007 9:17:08 AM PST by Titanites
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To: Iscool

Is this an ad hominem?
"Your long winded speech is nothing more than an attempt to put a gag on all but Catholics on a public forum".

Are you reading the mind of neocon?


46 posted on 02/13/2007 9:18:43 AM PST by Running On Empty
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To: ArrogantBustard

Where is the Biblical authority for any of that? BTW - Protestants speak of saints...defined as all of those who have been born-again. All of those in the Kingdom of God are called saints. There is, however, no Biblical justification for a higher class of believers called "Saints"


47 posted on 02/13/2007 9:19:55 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Frank Sheed
But be careful not to reveal our secret, Catholic posting techniques.
48 posted on 02/13/2007 9:20:27 AM PST by Titanites
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To: LiteKeeper
Please describe to me, in your own words, without any editorial comments, what you believe to be Catholic doctrine(s) regarding Saints.

I strongly suspect that your idea of what constitutes Catholic Dogma and Doctrine is not correct; but until I know the particulars I can't help you.

And please, feel free to actually read the many threads posted by actual Catholics on this forum addressing the matter of Saints.

49 posted on 02/13/2007 9:30:08 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Running On Empty
Is this an ad hominem?

I don't read Latin...I'm American...

50 posted on 02/13/2007 9:30:22 AM PST by Iscool (There will be NO peace on earth, NOR good will toward men UNTIL there is Glory to God in the Highest)
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To: Iscool
Just curious, what Church do you believe is the One, True Church since you don't think it was the one built by Peter Petra, "Upon this Rock I will build MY CHURCH"? Please name the denomination and the person who built it up after Jesus was ascended into heaven, and who Jesus himself named to build His Church.

Thank you in advance for an HONEST, Un-SNARKY answer.

51 posted on 02/13/2007 9:33:00 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Iscool

I thought most people knew what ad hominem means.


52 posted on 02/13/2007 9:45:48 AM PST by Running On Empty
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To: LiteKeeper; ArrogantBustard; bornacatholic
2 Thessalonians 2:15: "So then, brethern, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (RSV) (see also, 1 Corinthians 11:2; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Thessalonians 3:6).
"St. Thomas More expresses the Catholic perspective on apostolic Christian Tradition in a tract, Response to Luther, in 1523, where he comments on 2 Thessalonians 2:15:
'The preservation of both word and letter is equally charged by the Apostle. Extrascriptural matter was thus handed down, and on a binding, not a take-it-or-leave-it basis! What do you say to that, Luther!

[You] continue dully to insist upon the written as the only valid form of transmission, and doggedly persist in ignoring the scriptural evidence (in Dolan, 115, 117).'"

from "The Catholic Verses," by Dave Armstrong, Sophia Institute Press, 2004, pg. 38.

53 posted on 02/13/2007 9:45:52 AM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Pyro7480
Waiting for the standard "She can't hear you" babble to start....

There's certainly no biblical reason to believe that can either hear you or do anything about it.

54 posted on 02/13/2007 9:46:49 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: Iscool

Then you speak Cherokee, perhaps?


55 posted on 02/13/2007 9:47:58 AM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frank Sheed; LiteKeeper
Frank, I'd really like to have Mr. LiteKeeper go on record with what he thinks he's arguing against.

It's entirely possible that the position he is opposing is NOT Catholic, but rather a figment of his imagination.

56 posted on 02/13/2007 9:49:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: neocon; Suzy Quzy; Coleus; LiteKeeper; Iscool; All
It is disingenuous to complain that your confession is being maligned when you are NOT using the caucus designation to protect the thread from challenges!

Do NOT post an article as an open thread and then complain when other posters malign your doctrines, traditions and religious leaders or figures.

The poster of an article is quite literally "asking for it" when he omits the caucus label. Open threads are in the “town square.” Closed threads (including caucuses) are protected, like a closed door church meeting, the assembly is not to be disturbed.

See: Religion Forum guidelines

Also, there is no comparison between the real, historical and present day suffering of Catholics and Mormons to the real, historical and present day suffering of Jews. Anti-[whatever] is not in the same league with anti-Semitism and will not treated the same on my watch.

Suzy Quzy, your post would not have been targeted for a warning if it were not personal, i.e. labeling another Freeper ignorant. If it had been worded as follows, it would not have received the warning:

Litekeeper: Roman Catholicism appears to be transforming itself into the religion of Mary, not Jesus. Where does this concept come from?

Suzy Quzy: The concept comes from ignorance of Catholic doctrine as follows ….

Flame wars usually begin when one poster redirects the discussion from the issue at hand to the poster personally. Therefore I intercede with my usual warning:

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


58 posted on 02/13/2007 9:50:34 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: ArrogantBustard

Sorry, but you are right. This could prove most illuminating. It would be a first, I daresay.


59 posted on 02/13/2007 9:51:00 AM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Coleus
"Pope: From Lourdes to Seoul, I entrust the world’s sick and suffering to Mary"

Too bad he didn't mention Jesus, who did heal the sick, raise the dead, gave sight to the blind, gave the power to walk to those who never were able, finally forgave sins, then died for all, rose again and lives today. Did Mary, as worthy as she was, in the sight of God, ever do that?

60 posted on 02/13/2007 9:51:19 AM PST by zerosix
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