Posted on 02/08/2007 2:23:22 PM PST by NYer
The Early Church Fathers believed that the saints in heaven could be asked to pray for those of us still on earth.
Origen
But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels... as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep (On Prayer II [A.D. 233]).
Pectorius
Aschandius, my father, dearly beloved of my heart, with my sweet mother and my brethren, remember your Pectorius in the peace of the Fish [Christ] (Epitaph [A.D. 250]).
Cyprian
Let us remember one another in concord and unanimity. Let us on both sides always pray for one another. Let us relieve burdens and afflictions by mutual love, that if one of us, by the swiftness of divine condescension, shall go hence the first, our love may continue in the presence of the Lord, and our prayers for our brethren and sisters not cease in the presence of the Father's mercy (Letters 56[60]:5 [A.D. 252]).
Anonymous
Atticus, sleep in peace, secure in your safety, and pray anxiously for our sins (funerary inscription near St. Sabina's in Rome [A.D. 300]).
Anonymous
Pray for your parents, Matronata Matrona. She lived one year, fifty-two days (ibid.).
Cyril of Jerusalem
Then [during the Eucharistic prayer] we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition... (Catechetical Lectures 23:9 [A.D. 350]).
Anonymous
Mother of God, [listen to] my petitions; do not disregard us in adversity, but rescue us from danger (Rylands Papyrus 3 [A.D. 350]).
Hilary of Poitiers
To those who would fain to stand, neither the guardianship of saints nor the defenses of angels are wanting (Commentary on the Psalms 124:5:6 [A.D. 365]).
Ephraem of Syria
Remember me, you heirs of God, you brethren of Christ; supplicate the Savior earnestly for me, that I may be freed through Christ from him that fights against me day by day (De Timore, Anim. in fin. [A.D. 370]).
Liturgy of St. Basil
By the command of your only-begotten Son we communicate with the memory of your saints . . . by whose prayers and supplications have mercy upon us all, and deliver us for the sake of your holy name (Liturgy of St. Basil [A.D. 373]).
Gregory Nazianzen
Yes, I am well assured that [my father's] intercession is of more avail now than was his instruction in former days, since he is closer to God, now that he has shaken off his bodily fetters, and freed his mind from the clay that obscured it, and holds conversation naked with the nakedness of the prime and purest mind . . . (Orations 18:4 [A.D. 374]).
May you [Cyprian] look down from above propitiously upon us, and guide our word and life; and shepherd this sacred flock . . . gladden the Holy Trinity, before which you stand (Orations 17 [24] [A.D. 376]),
Gregory of Nyssa
Do you, [Ephraem] that art standing at the divine altar . . . bear us all in remembrance, petitioning for us the remission of sins, and the fruition of an everlasting kingdom (Sermon on Ephraem the Syrian [A.D. 380]).
Ambrose of Milan
May Peter, who wept so efficaciously for himself, weep for us and turn towards us Christ's benign countenance (Hexameron 5:25:90 [A.D. 388]).
John Chrysostom
He that wears the purple . . . stands begging of the saints to be his patrons with God, and he that wears a diadem begs the tent-maker [Paul] and the fisherman [Peter] as patrons, even though they be dead" (Homilies on 2 Corinthians 26 [A.D. 392]).
When you perceive that God is chastening you, fly not to his enemies . . . but to his friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to him, and who have great power [in God] (Orations 8:6 [A.D. 396]).
Augustine
A Christian people celebrate together in religious solemnity the memorials of the martyrs, both to encourage their being imitated and so that it can share in their merits and be aided by their prayers (Against Faustus the Manichean [A.D. 400]).
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Wow! Thanks!
great posts - thank you and God bless you
Revelation 8:3-4
Others you noted can be argued, but this one cannot.
I am thus always left knowing that I am wrong in some way.
Thanks, NYer.
To render this in more contemporary terms, let's take a closer look at Philip McCord. Fearful that he faced possible blindness in his right eye, Philip McCord, a Baptist went into the Church of the Immaculate Conception one day and prayed.
Phillip McCord
I need some help, he said in his quiet conversation with God in the fall of 2000.
Looking up, he saw a picture of Mother Guerin (now deceased), the foundress of the Sisters of Providence at St. Mary-of-the-Woods. He decided to pray to Mother Theodore and ask for her assistance.
If you see fit and have any influence, maybe you could speak [to God] on my behalf, he said to her.
McCord had undergone cataract surgery on both eyes that fall, and while the surgery was successful on his left eye, it was not successful for the right eye. He had swelling in his cornea.
He could only see shapes and light with his right eye, which drooped. It was really not what you would call vision, he said. It affected his depth perception and gave him headaches.
A specialist in Indianapolis had told him he would need a cornea transplant, which had a 60 percent success rate.
He worried about the risks and feared permanent damage, including possible blindness, in his right eye.
He was upset and afraid. I was not making a lot of headway in dealing with it, he said.
One day, when he was returning from a meeting at Providence Center, he heard organ music from the church and decided to go inside and pray.
He told God, I try not to bother you with a whole lot of things but Im not going to get through this. I need some help.
This is not some event from the distant past. This is now! The media always love the 'unexplicable' and jumped all over McCord's story. CNN even took it to a new level by producing a mini documentary in which their professional consultants interviewed McCord on videotape, while re-producing the blurred images of McCord prior to the 'intervention' of Mother Theodore.
This is just one of countless miracles attributed to the intervention of those on the path to sainthood and others who have already arrived.
This is a caucus thread, so if I step out of line, just say and I'll go.
But, this is a fascinating topic for me.
In the article you linked to, Mr. McCord prayed to Mother Guerin only to be later "upset and afraid."
Next, he appealed directly to God, and that worked. ("He told God, ...")
Friend, I cannot dispute that a miracle occurred, I only question the chain of command.
And, from the article ....
McCord, who has a dry sense of humor, said a friend told him, Mother Theodore and God talked it over and decided it was easier to fix my eye than to make me courageous.McCord had never before prayed to Mother Theodore before his problems with his eye, but since his cure, he has conversations thanking her every day.
As I noted above, this is a very difficult concept for many non-Catholics to grasp, yet, the earliest christians had no problem understanding that they were members of a much larger family - the Communion of Saints. Just as you pray for your friends and family here on earth, the saints pray for you, in heaven.
Remember, we pray to the saints and ASK THEM to intercede for us -- pray for us. They are much closer to Christ than we are.
You are so right about the description of the incense and prayers rising to heaven from Revelation. Isn't that a powerful picture?
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One of the most beautiful concepts I could think of.
Their inability to do anything about it is what got hammered into me in childhood and what I am now confronting as "Ancestor Worship."
Forgive me.
This has not been easy.
It is an overpowering picture.
Yes ... I understand. You are not alone. These misunderstandings are the reason why I am posting this series of threads on the Early Church Fathers.
There is no need to ask for forgiveness ... absolutely none. This is a learning experience for all of us.
No, I don't, I'm sorry to say.
It is.
Revelation
Chapter 8
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1 When he broke open the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven 2 for about half an hour.
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And I saw that the seven angels who stood before God were given seven trumpets.
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Another angel came and stood at the altar, 3 holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne.
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The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.
BTTT!
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