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Rep. Ron Paul: Running to Win in 2008 (Announcing the GRPPL -- Great Ron Paul Ping List)
Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Exploratory Committee ^ | February 3, 2007 | Orthodox Presbyterian

Posted on 02/03/2007 12:49:38 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian

Rep. Ron Paul: Running to Win in 2008
Dave Eberhart
Wednesday, Jan. 31, 2007 WASHINGTON -- Libertarians and conservatives alike, frustrated by their early options among the so-called 2008 front-runners, may turn to a familiar face in pursuit of the White House: Rep. Ron Paul.

Paul, R-Texas, has been a fervent advocate of limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies based on commodity-backed currency. He's now considering taking his no-nonsense show on the road in an under-the-radar run for the White House... (full article at http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/1/30/151713.shtml?s=po)


ANNOUNCING
The formation of the Great Ron Paul Ping List (GRPPL)
on Free Republic's Religion Forum

Well, it's (very nearly) official: the Honorable Rep. Ron Paul, Texas 14th District, is running for the Republican Nomination for President of the United States. I don't mind saying that this news has me more excited about National electoral politics than I have been in a long, long time. We are past due for a 100% Pro-Life, Pro-Second Amendment, Pro-Capitalism, Pro-Liberty die-hard Constitutionalist Christian in the White House!!

Over the last few days, I have been speaking with a delightful Calvinist Christian political operative: Presbyterian Church in America member Penny Langford-Freeman, Ron Paul's own Political Director. She is enthusiastic about the prospect that Presbyterian and Reformed Christians and others can develop a powerful base of support for Ron Paul's candidacy by hitting the ground EARLY, leveraging our internet resources, our elbow-grease and our shoe-leather from the grass-roots up to overcome the financial advantages enjoyed by major GOP liberals like Giuliani and McCain. We need to get our Conservative Christian friends and neighbors registered Republican and committed to vote for Ron Paul in the Primaries, and then get them to get their friends and neighbors registered and voting for Ron, every day for the next 11 months until Iowa and New Hampshire... and then take the GOP Primaries by storm in 2008, swarming out of the shadows like the guerilla army of Huguenot Calvinist "Swamp Fox" Francis Marion in the Revolutionary War.

Towards that end, I have set up a new Email account for coordinating FreeRepublic support for Ron Paul's candidacy. I will be working with Ron Paul's campaign staff to help direct interested FreeRepublic Conservative Christians in their efforts to support Dr. Paul; while I will be working most closely with my own Presbyterian and Reformed FReeper Friends (due simply to long familiarity and camaraderie), Christians from ALL theological traditions are most welcome!

If interested, please send your Name, State of Residence, and Email Address (contact phone number and church membership are helpful but not required) to:

I will be accepting Emails from interested parties and then submitting the list en masse to Ron Paul's political director later next week. You will be placed on Ron Paul's campaign email list and put in contact with your State campaign organizers as soon as possible. In addition, any suggestions you can offer regarding campaign literature, strategy, and marketing will be appreciated!


TOPICS: Activism; Current Events; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: ahahahahah; cutnrun; doa; notsogreat
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Add me to the list please. Go Ron!!


61 posted on 02/05/2007 5:54:42 AM PST by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission, it is not a right.)
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To: George W. Bush; ears_to_hear; Dr. Eckleburg

George, if you or anyone on the GRPL know how to track down ole' DrSteveJ by Email or phone, I think that he could be a big help. Thanks!


62 posted on 02/05/2007 5:59:40 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: LambSlave
You got it.

Everyone who's responded so far is on the list. I'll be talking with Ron Paul's political director later today, if possible.

Best, OP

63 posted on 02/05/2007 6:01:11 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Put me on the list.


64 posted on 02/05/2007 6:25:12 AM PST by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: Lexinom
Actually, Congress has the authority to end legal abortion without input from the SCOTUS, which is why Hunter introduced his legilation in 2003 - and reintroduced it a few days ago.

The last Congress, controlled by Republicans, couldn't even pass a minimal bill requiring parental notification of a minor child hiring an abortionist to chop up a child and grandchild, deeming such a measure far too right-wing and extreme. They have become useless.

Cordially,

65 posted on 02/05/2007 7:35:53 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Diamond; Lexinom; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
Even if Hunter could get his "Right to Life" Bill passed, every single SCOTUS Justice up to and including Scalia himself has said that defining Unborn Children as "Persons" would not pass muster under the 14th Amendment ("All persons born etc...") and would be struck down by the Court as Unconstitutional.

What would be necessary for such an "end run" legislative strategy to work would be to define unborn children as Persons and also legislatively remove Abortion from the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court altogether -- as proposed by Ron Paul's "Sanctity of Life" Act.

Hunter's "Right to Life" Bill, lacking this key provision, is absolutely DOA. He knows full well that as long as Abortion remains within the purview of SCOTUS, even Scalia would vote to scrap his Bill. However, it makes for good "Pro-Life" showboating, while (even if enacted) actually accomplishing absolutely nothing.


BTW -- Diamond, are you interested in supporting Ron in the Primaries?

66 posted on 02/05/2007 8:34:23 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; xzins
every single SCOTUS Justice up to and including Scalia himself has said that defining Unborn Children as "Persons" would not pass muster under the 14th Amendment ("All persons born etc...") and would be struck down by the Court as Unconstitutional.

I would love to see that cite.

If this is true, it only serves to confirm my suspicions that abortion is not an issue that may be solved in the legal or political arenas, but only in the hearts and minds. This is an arena where the Church, not the State, can and must intervene:

For Christians are not distinguished from the rest of mankind either in locality or in speech or in customs.... But while they dwell in cities of Greeks and barbarians as the lot of each is cast, and follow the native customs in dress and food and the other arrangements of life, yet the constitution of their own citizenship, which they set forth, is marvellous, and confessedly contradicts expectation. They dwell in their own countries, but only as sojourners; they bear their share in all things as citizens, and they endure all hardships as strangers. Every foreign country is a fatherland to them, and every fatherland is foreign. They marry like all other men and they beget children; but they do not cast away their offspring. They have their meals in common, but not their wives. They find themselves in the flesh, and yet they live not after the flesh. Their existence is on earth, but their citizenship is in heaven.

- Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus at 5:1, 4-9 (ca. 130-200 CE).

This is a time for the church to step up and be truly counter-cultural - not in the sense of the crass, commercial Evangelical sub-culture all-too-realistically depicted in Friends With God, the recent HBO documentary by Aledxandra Pelosi (daughter of the current Speaker). (Unfortunately, this documentary did not distort anything.) Instead, the Church must be unapologetically pro-life while simultaneously compassionate to single mothers, and encouraging responsible sexuality amongst her own children (i.e., teaching chastity). However, the frantic rhetoric of the grandstanding protesters must go.
67 posted on 02/05/2007 9:13:53 AM PST by jude24
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To: jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; P-Marlowe
"Frantic rhetoric?"

It's not frantic rhetoric to expect the Supreme Court to be consistent. And they have consistently ruled, as have lower courts, that when a pregnant woman is murdered, two murders have been committed, i.e. Lacy Peterson and her unborn son.

Like so much, the legal system strains to suit the times. And the times are wrong.

68 posted on 02/05/2007 9:23:13 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
BTW -- Diamond, are you interested in supporting Ron in the Primaries?

OP, it's great to see you again. I had not even given it a thought until this thread, which has been most informative. Put me on your list; you just sold me:^)

Cordially,

69 posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:25 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Frantic rhetoric?"

Yeah. Ever see anti-abortion protesters in front of clinics, or, say, Federal Courthouses? They aren't winning any friends.

It's not frantic rhetoric to expect the Supreme Court to be consistent. And they have consistently ruled, as have lower courts, that when a pregnant woman is murdered, two murders have been committed, i.e. Lacy Peterson and her unborn son.

No, it's not.

70 posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:37 AM PST by jude24
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To: jude24
If this is true, it only serves to confirm my suspicions that abortion is not an issue that may be solved in the legal or political arenas, but only in the hearts and minds. This is an arena where the Church, not the State, can and must intervene...

That's like saying that mugging is not an issue that may be solved in the legal or political arenas but by the Church.

What is the function of civil law in the first place? Does not the State have the obligation to protect the innocent and to punish the guilty, and not the other way around as it currently stands?

Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.

However, the frantic rhetoric of the grandstanding protesters must go.

Easy for you to say - you've already been born. I think if you were, God forbid, about to be chopped up you wouldn't mind at the very least a little frantic rhetoric from someone trying to save your skin.

Cordially,

71 posted on 02/05/2007 9:41:31 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Diamond
What is the function of civil law in the first place? Does not the State have the obligation to protect the innocent and to punish the guilty, and not the other way around as it currently stands?

The problem is that the invasion of privacy required to adequately regulate abortions are ridiculous. An abortion may be accomplished, in the first few days, by a large dose of birth control pills. I have been told that there are few women who are unaware of that - and this has reduced the numbers of abortions in the US.

72 posted on 02/05/2007 9:45:07 AM PST by jude24
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To: jude24

"THE RIGHT TO LIFE ACT OF 2005 Lacks Vital Language" ~~ http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524


73 posted on 02/05/2007 10:05:57 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: jude24
The problem is that the invasion of privacy required to adequately regulate abortions are ridiculous.

That's like talking about regulation of mugging, or regulation of slavery. How about outright prohibition of the abortion killing trade and the prosecution of the doctors who commit these killings as acts of commerce?

An abortion may be accomplished, in the first few days, by a large dose of birth control pills. I have been told that there are few women who are unaware of that - and this has reduced the numbers of abortions in the US.

It doesn't make any sense to say that mothers taking large doese of pills to kill their prenatal children reduces the number of abortions in the U.S. It may reduce the number committed by rebrobate physicians in office buildings, but not the overall number.

Cordially,

74 posted on 02/05/2007 10:08:59 AM PST by Diamond
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To: jude24; Diamond
The problem is that the invasion of privacy required to adequately regulate abortions are ridiculous. An abortion may be accomplished, in the first few days, by a large dose of birth control pills. I have been told that there are few women who are unaware of that - and this has reduced the numbers of abortions in the US.

Your statement is tantamount to claiming that "the invasion of privacy required to adequately regulate wife-beating are ridiculous"... well, yes, if by "adequately regulate" you mean that no spousal abuse, anywhere, ever, goes unprosecuted.

In reality, probably the great majority of individual spousal abuse instances go unreported and unprosecuted, but that's no argument for making wife-beating Legal. We maintain the illegality of spousal abuse precisely so that there may be legal action taken in those cases where enough evidence of the crime is reported to allow a prosecution to occur, and the same would hold true if Abortion were made illegal by, say, Oklahoma -- probably the great majority of abortions would continue to go unreported and unprosecuted; but the State would, at least, have the authority to bring prosecution in those cases where enough evidence of the crime is reported to allow a prosecution to occur.

75 posted on 02/05/2007 10:15:14 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: Dahlseide; Dr. Eckleburg; Jeremydmccann; getsoutalive; Clemenza; LambSlave
Howdy! I am compiling my GRPPL list along with a list of GOP State Primaries and dates thereof, and I don't have State of Residence information for any of y'all. (Dahlseide; Dr. Eckleburg; Jeremydmccann; getsoutalive; Clemenza; LambSlave). If you would like to be in contact with your state Ron Paul campaign chair, please post, FReepMail, or Email me (ronpaulcalvinist@sbcglobal.net) your State of Residence.

I will be posting State campaign info for each member of the GRPPL list as soon as Penny can get it for me. Residents of the following five states are particularly encouraged to get in touch with the campaign, as Ron will be developing his campaign in these States first:

However, even if you are not a Resident of one of those States, please feel free to alert me as to your State of Residence, and I'll get you Campaign info on your State as soon as possible.

Thanks!

76 posted on 02/05/2007 10:35:21 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

I'm not sure why she said Kentucky was one of their five initial focus States... comes a bit later in the primary schedule... oh, well, I'm sure it'll all make sense in due time.


77 posted on 02/05/2007 10:38:12 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

What's your opinion on switching affiliation from Libertarian to Republican in order to access the primaries with the aim to support conservatives who aren't statists like maybe this guy?


78 posted on 02/05/2007 12:27:53 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
How would such a ban be enforced? Would the police review medical charts to ensure doctors didn't assist in abortion? How would you keep a savvy girl from taking a massive dose of progesterone? And what about the hapless, desperate girl who decides to use a coat hanger? A blanket ban must address these issues.

probably the great majority of abortions would continue to go unreported and unprosecuted; but the State would, at least, have the authority to bring prosecution in those cases where enough evidence of the crime is reported to allow a prosecution to occur

Doesn't the prospect of selective prosecution scare you? It bothers me a lot, because it invites blackmail or capricious prosecution.

I'm approaching the question from my perspective that a bad law, an unenforceable law is worse than no law at all. Morally, I'm as pro-life as anyone on this board. I just don't see how to make it work from a Constitutional Law standpoint nor from a policy standpoint.

79 posted on 02/05/2007 12:28:03 PM PST by jude24
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To: TheKidster; George W. Bush
What's your opinion on switching affiliation from Libertarian to Republican in order to access the primaries with the aim to support conservatives who aren't statists like maybe this guy?

Well, I'm doing it. For that matter, Ron Paul himself has done it -- while he remains a paid-up lifetime member of the Libertarian Party (and was their Presidential nominee in 1988), he switched his voter registration back to Republican for his successful 1996 election to Congress.

I was registered Libertarian when I lived in Florida. However, I now live in Oklahoma, and I am re-registering as a Republican in order to vote for Ron Paul in my State GOP Primary, February 5, 2008.

Personally, I think we should do everything in our power to support Ron Paul to victory in the GOP Primaries, so we won't have to even bother looking at the Libertarian or Constitution Party nominees. Heck, if the Libertarians are smart, they'll just nominate Ron Paul (again) and support a grand unification ticket.

Shall I put you on the GRPPL list, for Florida?

80 posted on 02/05/2007 1:01:32 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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