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To: DungeonMaster

But who do YOU say performs the healings?

At BEST, and SAFEST, certainly, is to answer: "I do not know", because that is the truth - you do not know.

And because you do not know, it COULD indeed be demons, and therefore you must be properly cautious.

But it COULD be the Holy Spirit, too, in which case the Holy Spirit is performing this fountain of miracles, the only place like it, in a Shrine to MARY, where Marian apparitions are believed to have occurred 160 years ago.
If those healings ARE performed by the Holy Spirit, then the Holy Spirit's imprimatur, which is to say the approval of God, is on a place devoted to Jesus' mother, Mary, and that is a sobering lesson.

The moral: because you don't KNOW who is performing the healing miracles at Lourdes, do not mock Mary, and don't mock those who go to Mary's Shrine at Lourdes.

You need not take part in it yourself. You can entertain your doubts and hope that it isn't really a demon leading them all astray. But do not be led astray yourself by a demon of pride to assert positive knowledge about healing miracles when you really don't know who is doing them.

In the absence of certitude, given that the Holy Spirit is involved and blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a death sentence without reprieve, if you are uncomfortable with Lourdes and Mary, be thou silent. Do not participate, but do not mock either. You don't know enough to mock. And the penalty for being wrong in such a case is awful.

I tell people over and again the nobody gets a reward in heaven for mocking God's mom. There is no margin in it. None. And the price could be catastrophic, if you're wrong. Luther and Calvin were both piously respectful of Mary. That is the right answer. Don't pray to her, but don't use Mary as a "club" against Catholicism either. Because you don't know who is do those profuse healings at Lourdes.
You only know they are happening, and they are miraculous.
It's God or the Devil, that much is certain.
If you cannot tell, then be silent. There is safety in silence.
If you KNOW, then tell us.


545 posted on 01/30/2007 11:52:47 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
The devil can perform actual miracles?

Pull the other one...

564 posted on 01/30/2007 12:18:57 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Vicomte13
I don't know that anything has happend there, all I have is your testimony. I could never believe such a thing is occurring based on the testimony I read on the internet. However I also have very very much testimony about Marian doctrine from the FR and many other sources. This testimony is anti-biblical therefore I can safely reject it. Being able to reject Marian doctrine based on it's non biblical basis makes it pretty easy to be extremely skeptical about testimony of healings in Mary's name.

Regarding the Truth, I have all the Truth I need in Jesus, who is the Truth. As He said "Blessed are those who believe and have not seen". My belief is not dependent on any signs at all.

572 posted on 01/30/2007 12:40:53 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: Vicomte13
And because you do not know, it COULD indeed be demons, and therefore you must be properly cautious.

*Satan and his henchmen go about doing good? They heal the sick?

I feel cheated. I was never learnt this in my Catechism classes. I can understand protestants making such errors, but a Catholic?

Come on...you made a mistake. Just admit it and retract it...

573 posted on 01/30/2007 12:41:51 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Vicomte13

Perhaps a third possibility, however improbable, also exists . . .

That God, while deploring the Marianolatry, has such fierce compassion on those seeking His help . . . that He grants such.

Personally, I'm more inclined to think that some demonic involvement is at least quite plausible.


603 posted on 01/30/2007 1:32:57 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE & HIS ENEMIES BE 100% DONE-IN; & ISLAM & TRAITORS FLUSHED)
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