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Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
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Posted on 01/28/2007 5:25:46 AM PST by NYer

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To: Klondike

Which Ruthenian Byantine Parish did you attend? I think I might have been there a couple of times. St. Sharbel's, the Maronite one is soooo beautiful. I have heard that the Ibuna is a reader of souls. From what I have seen, I believe it.

Where abouts are you?


41 posted on 01/28/2007 10:06:52 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Obviously, I'm not allowed to respond...


42 posted on 01/29/2007 4:55:50 AM PST by Iscool (There will be NO peace on earth, NOR good will toward men UNTIL there is Glory to God in the Highest)
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To: annalex; Kolokotronis

The one thing I highly encourage both of you to think about is that many of the converts from other denominations bring over a lot of baggage. Some of the problems we are having in the LCMS are because of recent converts who wanted a more orthodox (little o) church but end up wanting it like the place they left.


43 posted on 01/29/2007 6:39:13 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer
What drove me East, was the liturgical abuse so pervasive in this RC Diocese. That was the battle! I confronted the pastor of my (now former) RC parish when he tried to introduce liturgical dance, showing him NCCB documentation outlawing this practice. When he wouldn't budge, I wrote to the diocese. No surprise, they supported the pastor's definition of liturgical dance as 'liturgical movement'. Undaunted, I wrote a 2nd time, quoting Sacrosanctum Concilium and and Canon Law which states that "every Catholic is entitled to a valid liturgy". That did the trick! His abuses didn't stop there. He altered the words of the Creed and only placed a Crucifix in the Sanctuary during Lent (dissent against the GIRM). Watching a EMHC drop a consecrated host to the floor of the Sanctuary then picking it up and replacing it in her Pyrex glass communion bowl was the last straw. In compiling a list of other RC parishes within proximity of home, someone suggested that I include any Eastern Catholic parishes as well. There were two - Maronite and Ukrainian. The Maronite Church grabbed my heart and soul and would not let go.

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I've often wondered about that. Your explanation makes perfect sense. Thanks.

44 posted on 01/29/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ELS
I have been listening much more closely to what Benedict has been saying than I ever did to JPII. I find Benedict XVI's words to be quite clear, articulate, eloquent and multileveled. When I read them again, I see things that I didn't before.

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I agree, but in fairness to Pope John Paul, he was ill for many years before his death. Still, Pope Benedict is brilliant.

45 posted on 01/29/2007 7:58:47 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mockingbyrd

We converted a small building to a chapel over on 82nd ave in SE portland. They them purchased Blessed Sacrament church off of Interstate Ave NE. and renamed it St. Irene's


46 posted on 01/29/2007 8:14:50 AM PST by Klondike
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To: trisham
I agree, but in fairness to Pope John Paul, he was ill for many years before his death.

I think that JPII's mind was just as lucid in his last years as it was earlier in his life. I did not mean to imply anything negative about him. I was just observing that I am drawn more strongly to Benedict XVI than I was to JPII. Your mileage may vary.

47 posted on 01/29/2007 8:59:14 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS
I think that JPII's mind was just as lucid in his last years as it was earlier in his life. I did not mean to imply anything negative about him. I was just observing that I am drawn more strongly to Benedict XVI than I was to JPII.

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I apologize if I gave the impression that you were criticizing Pope John Paul. I confess I feel the same about Pope Benedict.

48 posted on 01/29/2007 9:04:15 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Klondike

Okay, totally off the wall question, was there a red headed family that attended the small chapel back in the early 1990's?


49 posted on 01/29/2007 9:18:03 AM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: NYer
>2 Peter 1:12, 15 - Peter says that he will leave a "means to recall these things in mind." But since this was his last canonical epistle, this "means to recall" must therefore be the apostolic tradition and teaching authority of his office that he left behind. <

Perhaps you might want to read the rest of the chapter.Peter says he heard the audible voice of God but we have a more sure word.(scripture)This may be the reason Jesus starts many of his discourses with it is written.
50 posted on 01/29/2007 10:00:55 AM PST by Blessed
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To: trisham; NYer

"I've often wondered about that. Your explanation makes perfect sense. Thanks."

She left out the part about the Lebanese, being first cousins to us Greeks, are far nicer people with much better food (ducking)! :)


51 posted on 01/29/2007 3:46:50 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; NYer
She left out the part about the Lebanese, being first cousins to us Greeks, are far nicer people with much better food (ducking)! :)

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:) I can't disagree. I do wish we had at least one Greek restaurant in this area. We moved four years ago from an area with a fairly large Greek population, which was really wonderful.

52 posted on 01/29/2007 3:55:57 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ELS; kosta50

"And why not? The Church was one when the Early Church Fathers wrote."

As Kosta says, "A Catholic Church, an Orthodox Faith". Think back, though, over your reading and your lifetime of listening to Popes. Have you ever heard a pope speak and teach like this one? I say it has been rather more than 1000 years since we have heard such a pope.

"IMHO, Benedict XVI's patristic scholarship is/was part of God's plan for him."

And perhaps for all of us!


53 posted on 01/29/2007 3:56:27 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: trisham

"I do wish we had at least one Greek restaurant in this area."

No Greek parishes with Saturday night suppers? :)

Try the internet for recipes. Greek cooking is time consuming but not really very hard or complex!


54 posted on 01/29/2007 4:20:57 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Stuffed grape leaves-yum.


55 posted on 01/29/2007 4:46:11 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kolokotronis; trisham; mockingbyrd; Klondike; malleushaereticorum
"I've often wondered about that. Your explanation makes perfect sense. Thanks."

No ... thank you! Sorry you never inquired sooner.

While my dear friend, Kolokotronis, would argue that the Maronites are the most 'latinized' of all the Eastern Catholic Churches (and he would be right :-), the experience has been a veritable blessing! Experiencing a chanted liturgy, seeing incense waft heavenward, watching a priest make profound bows before the Tabernacle, hearing him chant the words of Consecration in Aramaic - the language of Christ, receiving communion by intinction and on the tongue, celebrating the major feasts with profound reverence and lyrical prayers that reach deep into the soul - ALL of this has stilled the 'inquietude' (sorry, sometimes French words work best) I felt each and every week, attending Mass at my former RC parish. And, there was no escape. Those RC parishes in this diocese that still maintained some semblance of reverence, are few and far between. My original list contained 4 parishes that have since been closed by the bishop.

I would have hung on and fought the abuses, but no one was willing to join me in the battle. They preferred to keep the priest than address the abuses. That left me to battle in the arena, alone. I have no regrets. The Maronite Catholic Church has not only been an oasis in the middle of an arrid desert, it has also nourished my soul with its prayers. In December 2005, our Maronite Bishop celebrated the Divine Liturgy recognizing our parish's centennial. At a reception that evening, out of the clear blue, he suggested that I pray the Maronite Divine Office. This was sheer inspiration on his part and he could not have found a more willing heart. Since then, I have faithfully said the Office each morning (evenings are more challenging because of work hours) and when I neglect to say these prayers, my heart and soul 'feel' the loss. They bring such comfort, joy and inspiration - like food for the soul. I am blessed with an awesome Bishop and parish priest.

She left out the part about the Lebanese, being first cousins to us Greeks, are far nicer people with much better food (ducking)! :)

No doubt, K, we both enjoy the essence of lemon, mint and thyme in the preparation of our dishes ;-). Both cuisines are sumptuous and without equal in the American diet. (how's that :-).

Trisham, if you are ever afforded the opportunity to attend an Eastern Catholic liturgy, please avail yourself of it. When RCs ask my Abouna about the differences between the Latin and Maronite liturgies, he replies with: "Same faith; different flavor". He is absolutely right!

56 posted on 01/29/2007 4:55:38 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer; trisham

"No doubt, K, we both enjoy the essence of lemon, mint and thyme in the preparation of our dishes ;-)."

And "rigani", don't forget the "rigani"! And the pistachios and the truly sublime liquid essences of orange and rose blossoms!


57 posted on 01/29/2007 5:00:51 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; NYer; trisham

Well, then if you enjoy the scent of orange and rose blossoms, buy some of this:

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/16561129.htm?source=rss&channel=inquirer_nation


58 posted on 01/29/2007 5:03:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: trisham

59 posted on 01/29/2007 5:03:37 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Now you've got me salivating! How about some ...


Kibbe

And leave plenty of room for desert ......


Baklava or "Beklewa" as the Lebanese call these delicacies

60 posted on 01/29/2007 6:23:21 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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