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Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
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Posted on 01/28/2007 5:25:46 AM PST by NYer

The Early Church Fathers recognized Oral Tradition (as taught by the Church) as being equally authoritative as written Tradition (Scripture) because they both came from the same God through the same Church.

Papias

Whenever anyone came my way, who had been a follower of my seniors, I would ask for the accounts of our seniors: What did Andrew or Peter say? Or Phillip or Thomas or James or John or Matthew, or any of the Lord’s disciples? I also asked: What did Aristion and John the Presbyter, disciples of the Lord say. For, as I see it, it is not so much from books as from the living and permanent voice that I must draw profit (The Sayings of the Lord [between A.D. 115 and 140] as recorded by Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 3:39 [A.D. 325]).

Irenaeus

For even creation reveals Him who formed it, and the very work made suggests Him who made it, and the world manifests Him who ordered it. The Universal [Catholic] Church, moreover, through the whole world, has received this tradition from the Apostles (Against Heresies 2:9 [A.D. 189]).

True knowledge is the doctrine of the Apostles, and the ancient constitution of the Church throughout all the world, and the distinctive manifestation of the body of Christ according to the successions of the bishops, by which they have handed down that Church which exists in every place, and has come even unto us, being guarded and preserved, without any forging of Scriptures, by a very complete system of doctrine, and neither addition nor curtailment [in truths which she believes]; and [it consists in] reading [the Word of God] without falsification, and a lawful and diligent exposition in harmony with the Scriptures, both without danger and without blasphemy… (ibid. 4:33 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian

For wherever both the true Christian rule and faith shall be shown to be, there will be the true Scriptures, and the true expositions, of all the true Christian traditions (The Prescription of Heretics 19 [A.D. 200]).

Origen

Seeing there are many who think they hold the opinions of Christ, and yet some of these think differently from their predecessors, yet as the teaching of the Church, transmitted in orderly succession from the Apostles, and remaining in the churches to the present day, is still preserved, that alone is to be accepted as truth which differs in no respect from ecclesiastical and apostolic tradition (On First Principles Bk. 1 Preface 2 [circa A.D. 225]).

Eusebius

While [Ignatius of Antioch] was making the journey through Asia under the strictest military guard, he strengthened the diocese in each city where he stayed by spoken sermons and exhortations, and he especially exhorted them above all to be on their guard against the heresies which then for the first time were prevalent and he urged them to hold fast to the tradition of the Apostles to which he thought it necessary, for securities sake, to give form by written testimony (Ecclesiastical History, 3:36 [A.D. 325]).

Athanasius

Without prefixing Consulate, month, and day, [the Fathers] wrote concerning Easter, "It seemed good as follows," for it did then seem good that there should be a general compliance; but about the faith they wrote not, "It seemed good" but, "Thus believes the Catholic Church"; and thereupon they confessed how they believed, in order to show that their own sentiments were not novel, but Apostolic; and what they wrote down was no discovery of theirs, but is the same as was taught by the Apostles (Letter on the Councils of Ariminum and Seleucia [A.D. 359]).

Basil

Of the beliefs and practices whether generally accepted or publicly enjoined which are preserved in the Church some we possess derived from written teaching; others we have received delivered to us "in mystery" by the tradition of the Apostles; and both of these in relation to true religion have the same force. And these no one will contradict; - no one, at all events, who is even moderately versed in the institutions of the Church. For were we to attempt to reject such customs as have no written authority, on the ground that the importance they possess is small, we should unintentionally injure the Gospel in these matters… (On the Holy Spirit 27 [A.D. 375]).

Jerome

Don’t you know that the laying on of hands after baptism and then the invocation of the Holy Sirit is a custom of the Churches? Do you demand Scripture proof? You may find it in the Acts of the Apostles. And even if it did not rest on the authority of Scripture the consensus of the whole world in this respect would have the force of a command. For many other observances of the Churches, which are do to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law (The Dialogue Against the Luciferians 8 [A.D. 382]).

John Chrysostom

"So then brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours" (2 Thessalonians 2:15). Hence it is manifest, that they did not deliver all things by epistle, but many things also unwritten, and in like manner both the one and the other are worthy of credit. Therefore let us think the tradition of the Church also worthy of credit. It is a tradition, seek no farther (Homilies on Second Thessalonians [circa A.D. 400]).

Vincent of Lerins

I have often then inquired earnestly and attentively of very many men eminent for sanctity and learning, how and by what sure and so to speak universal rule I may be able to distinguish the truth of Catholic faith from the falsehood of heretical pravity; and I have always, and in almost every instance, received an answer to this effect: That whether I or any one else should wish to detect the frauds and avoid the snares of heretics as they rise, and to continue sound and complete in the Catholic faith, we must, the Lord helping, fortify our own belief n two ways: first, by the authority of the Divine Law, and then, by the Tradition of the Catholic Church (Commonitory 2 [A.D. 434])

Theodoret

I have ever kept the faith of the Apostles undefiled… So have I learnt not only from the Apostles and the Prophets but also from the interpreters of their writings, Ignatius, Eustathius, Athanasius, Basil, Gregory, John, and the rest of the lights of the world; and before these from the holy Fathers in council at Nicaea, whose confession of the faith I preserve in its integrity, like an ancestral inheritance [styling corrupt and enemies of the truth all who dare to transgress its decrees] (Letters no. 89 [circa A.D. 443]).


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To: NYer

"Kibbe"

Ah, veritable ambrosia!


61 posted on 01/29/2007 6:26:30 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer; amihow; Mrs. Don-o; Knitting A Conundrum; do the dhue; Hydroshock; the lastbestlady; ...
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62 posted on 01/29/2007 6:28:04 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Kolokotronis
Ambrosia ... lol .... they make that too :-)

(Shhhh ... don't tell Abouna but I definitely prefer Felafel over Kibbe, his favorite :-)

63 posted on 01/29/2007 6:30:57 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: kosta50
Latins used to use three fingers

Some of us Catholics still do.

64 posted on 01/29/2007 6:40:24 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mockingbyrd

Yes there were three girls with mom and dad. they were also active at Holy Rosary parish in NE PDX. Are you from Vancouver?


65 posted on 01/29/2007 7:30:04 PM PST by Klondike
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To: Kolokotronis; NYer

We had a grape vine in the backyard of the house I grew up in. My family had befriended a Greek family during our travels in Korea. When they came to visit us, the mother used fresh leaves from our vine to make dolmas (sp?). Mmmm!


66 posted on 01/29/2007 8:43:03 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Some of us Catholics still do [use three finger ti mnake the Sign of the cross]

Yes, I have been reminded of that by a young trad. Thanks, I didn't know that until this thread.

67 posted on 01/29/2007 9:35:49 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Klondike

I am in Vancouver, and am an active parishoner at Holy Rosary. There's actually a son as well, he's in the Secret Service. He was in the Air Force while they were going to the Ruthinian Rite.

They introduced my parents to homeschooling. And beautiful Icons.


68 posted on 01/29/2007 9:56:38 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: NYer
Experiencing a chanted liturgy, seeing incense waft heavenward, watching a priest make profound bows before the Tabernacle, hearing him chant the words of Consecration in Aramaic - the language of Christ, receiving communion by intinction and on the tongue, celebrating the major feasts with profound reverence and lyrical prayers that reach deep into the soul... Trisham, if you are ever afforded the opportunity to attend an Eastern Catholic liturgy, please avail yourself of it. When RCs ask my Abouna about the differences between the Latin and Maronite liturgies, he replies with: "Same faith; different flavor". He is absolutely right!

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I will. Thank you so much for your recommendation. I had no idea.

69 posted on 01/30/2007 1:38:33 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Wow. Now that's expensive perfume.


70 posted on 01/30/2007 1:40:16 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer; Kolokotronis

Torture me, will you? :)


71 posted on 01/30/2007 1:41:16 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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