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To: Aquinasfan
I don't really know the details of Luther's doctrine, so I'm not going to try to defend Luther's doctrine.

Alot of this debate on "sola scripture" is a lawyereze way of defining what alone means. I don't believe I have used the phrase alone in the way that most Catholics wish to debate it. After all, as a minimum we needed Jesus to come, Diciples/Apostles to teach and write, believers to spread the gospel, and the Holy Spirit to guide. That makes four things, so in a lawyereze sense I agree with you, that isn't scripture alone.

But that is a side track to what I was trying to make a point of....when something is important, it gets written down. When you or any other Catholic wishes to prove their point, you reference the written words of people (Aquinas, Ignatius, Polycarp, etc.). Why did these people write it down? Because they thought it was important.

Isn't it logical then, that the earlist writings of the Apostles (the first Christians for that matter) is the most important ideas? These written ideas are what we call Scripture/New Testament.

The odd thing to me is the higher degree of importance that Catholics put on the written words of people hundreds of years after Christ, than on the written words of those people who witnessed and/or walked with Jesus.

Sincerely
478 posted on 01/26/2007 8:17:34 AM PST by ScubieNuc (I have no tagline. I wish I did. If I did, it would probably be too long and not fit completely on t)
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To: ScubieNuc; Aquinasfan
These written ideas are what we call Scripture/New Testament.

FWIW, if you want to rely on oral teachings how do you know that they are being passed on accurately? Oral history is very suspect because it is so easily manipulated by the cultural and political pressures of the day.

487 posted on 01/26/2007 9:08:22 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: ScubieNuc

"But that is a side track to what I was trying to make a point of....when something is important, it gets written down."

Yep, like the abolition of one of the Ten Commandments and the hundreds of reference to the Sabbath. Funny that the authors of the Bible forgot to write that down.

Or the overriding of Jesus' absolute prohibition on divorce and remarriage. Does YOUR church allow divorce and remarriage? Could you please direct me to the place where Paul, Peter, John, James or Jude, in their epistles, countermands Jesus Christ on this twice-repeating commandment in the Gospels?
I can't seem to find the part where allowing divorce and remarriage was written down.
Gee, guess it wasn't.

I presume you will abandon these traditions of yours and start keeping the Sabbath, and prohibit all divorce and remarriage in your church (or at least morally oppose it), yes? The writings are clear. And nobody wrote down the text that lets you contradict what IS written.


516 posted on 01/26/2007 12:34:06 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God!)
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