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To: dangus; My2Cents
Ah, but the question is: Faith in what? Faith in Jesus is one thing, but then who was Jesus? ...On the other hand, the Catholic who obeys the church's teachings and fully participates in the sacraments (including thorough confession of all sins recognized as such by the Church) never has to wonder

Oh please. It is far better to be asking Jesus to take away your sins then to be asking Mary to ask Jesus to take away your sins. According to what you wrote all one has to do is OBEY. If you don't OBEY then that's it.

Luther never could reconcile the book of James with the book of Romans, so he cast it out.

Last time I looked in my PROTESTANT Bible, the book of James was still there.

156 posted on 01/12/2007 1:38:37 AM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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To: HarleyD; My2Cents

>> It is far better to be asking Jesus to take away your sins then to be asking Mary to ask Jesus to take away your sins <<

Yes, but it is still better to be joined in prayer with another, in Jesus' name. Rare and strange would be the Catholic who asks Mary to pray for him, but does not pray himself.

>> Last time I looked in my PROTESTANT Bible, the book of James was still there. <<

Yes, it was restored, along with Revelations, 1-2 John, and 1-2-3 Peter. But it is a historical fact that Luther insisted that they were not authentic scripture, and had them removed.


187 posted on 01/12/2007 6:40:11 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: HarleyD; dangus
...and if all one must do is OBEY, even if it's to obey the teachings and the sacraments of the church, how does one know that they've OBEYED completely? Plus, scripture is full of God's comment that He really isn't concerned with our outward acts of worship or sacrifice as much as He's concerned with the condition of our hearts.

The comments about faith in Jesus being a bit insufficient and wobbly, compared to faith in the church, is frankly a bit disconcerting. My faith is in Christ, and His finished work on the cross on my behalf. There is only one mediator now between man and God, and that is Jesus Christ, not a priesthood, not the hoops of sacraments, not the saints, not the church. If anyone puts their faith in anything other than Christ for salvation, they're running a severe risk of missing it.

208 posted on 01/12/2007 7:59:18 AM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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