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This is My Church. This is My Church Slimed By the Washington Post
VirtueOnline-News ^ | 1/04/2007V | Mary Katharine Ham

Posted on 01/05/2007 6:30:35 PM PST by sionnsar

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To: Tax-chick
We have some Irish in the Alabama side, but it's so far back that it predates the railroads!

My husband OTOH is clear through aboriginal Irish on his mother's side. I met his grandpa when we were first dating - and a more Central Casting Irishman of the coal-heaving variety you would never meet. Great big huge man, even in his 80s, fair where the sun hadn't burned him red, jolly twinkling gray eyes (that he passed on to his grandson and to my daughter).

When my daughter was in Spain, everybody thought she was Irish, and when she said she was American they all exclaimed, "No! No! Impossible!" She could walk down a road in County Mayo barefoot and with a shawl on her head, and blend right in. She's more Irish than either one of us, got it from both sides.

41 posted on 01/06/2007 1:22:19 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

We have a regular on the Undead Thread who lives in Mayo. It's very scenic, in a drippy way.


42 posted on 01/06/2007 1:24:41 PM PST by Tax-chick (What's this we have now?)
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To: Tax-chick
You can't mind "a little rain" and live there . . .

. . . if you're properly equipped, it's not bad. Sturdy waterproof shoes and a good rain jacket with vent zips and a hood!

43 posted on 01/06/2007 2:25:14 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Plutarch; AnAmericanMother; LibreOuMort; Kolokotronis
My dog will talk to me sooner than an Episcopalian will speak in tongues.

Your dog has spoken to you then? *\;-)

Rather more seriously, my father (a now former Episcopal minister) has been a Charismatic since sometime in the 70s. Per AnAmericanMother's observation, he is definitely well out on the Evangelical wing of the church, which is where I was raised.

Dad accepts that I am now out on the Anglo-Catholic wing, though I think that saddens him a bit, even more so that I got there by leaving ECUSA. I wish I could show him the joy and beauty of our worship (he has even celebrated in our church as a supply priest, by dispensation of our bishop), but I also think that maybe that wish goes in both directions.

I am not a Charismatic and cannot envision being so (for all I've spent a couple of summer camps with many of same), but as an heir of the Elizabethan Compromise I'm not at all ready to pronounce anathema on them either.

44 posted on 01/06/2007 4:40:03 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: AnAmericanMother; AmericanMade1776
Well, if you're sourcing from something called "Gay City", that explains the skewed nature of your information.

AAM, may I say this in defense of AM1176? We don't know why she quoted that source: I saw it as a reach into enemy territory/propaganda. (Or maybe I misread her post...?)

45 posted on 01/06/2007 4:43:01 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar
I absolutely agree. My former evangelical brethren in the old ECUSA bothered me not at all -- I would attend my "low church" friends' services and never say a snarky word, not even under my breath. My best friend in elementary school was a "sub-basement low church" Piskie, and I used to go to her church with her all the time.

Strange coincidence department - at that time her church (St. Dunstan's) was so small that it didn't have a building of its own. They set up a folding lunchroom table in the old gymnasium at the local Catholic parish, draped a tablecloth over it, and had their service there. The gymnasium was the weirdest building I ever saw -- it was round and the roof went almost down to the ground, it looked like a flying saucer and was known locally as "The Great Pumpkin". It was wrecked out when they built a real church, to make room for a parking lot and one of the classroom buildings of the parish school.

And now we are parishioners at that same Catholic parish. Go figure.

46 posted on 01/06/2007 4:56:45 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: xJones; LibreOuMort
The one thing I hold against you is that you could have picked an easier name to spell

I stand in the dock, convicted. Decades of being a bagpiper and years of Scottish Gaelic classes have lent me a certain persuasion to things Gaelic. (My car's license plate frame is in Gaelic; at stoplights I've become really good at reading lips in the rear-view mirror, usually: "What does that say/mean"? - and many other variations on the theme.)

Gaelic orthography is substantially simpler than English, with VERY few exceptions; the problem is that the Gaelic rules are unknown to non-Gaelic speakers. Anglophones look at the proliferation of letters in Gaelic words without understanding that these "extra" letters tell you exactly how to pronounce the word.

English is a very expressive language. And so is Gaelic (calling in my multi-polyglot wife, LibreOuMort, on this!), though in ways hard to express to one who hasn't encountered it.

Paste & copy usually works: sionnsar

47 posted on 01/06/2007 4:59:03 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar; AmericanMade1776
Well, in all charity you could be right.

I wouldn't go THERE for an honest description of the controversy, which is what I thought we were trying to discuss . . .

. . . but, you could be right.

And I will say this, AM1776 probably just meant that as a passing comment . . . and had no idea that she was throwing a rock at a bunch of folks who had had rocks thrown at them since at least 2003 and were a bit sore and bruised . . . as Kipling said in one of his short stories, not knowing what djinns she should evoke.

48 posted on 01/06/2007 4:59:57 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: sionnsar; All

I have been assured by other Freepers, that you were not trying to insult my sister, I am sorry if I took it wrong.

I really do not like to get into theological discussions with anyone, and especially here on Free Republic. AS I said, I am a Methodist, and raised a Southern Baptist.

I know what is going on within your Church is much more personal to you, than to me. With that said. Maybe I could make a joke about Southern Baptist, which I do know a lot about.

The Joke:

It seems that a Southern Baptist was stranded on an island out in the South Pacific by himself, for years before anyone found him. When they found him, they noticed he had built three huts. The Rescures asked the Stranded Southern Baptist what the three huts were for.

The Stranded Baptist, pointed to the first hut and said that is my Home, and then he pointed to the Second hut and said that is my Church.

The Rescurer said, well what is that third hut for? The Southern Baptist said that is my Old Church.



49 posted on 01/06/2007 5:03:17 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: sionnsar

And concerning the use of the "gay City" it was the first resource I found, when I used the search engine.


50 posted on 01/06/2007 5:04:55 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Yes, I didn't know.


51 posted on 01/06/2007 5:07:28 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: LibreOuMort
The Gospel is inherently divisive.

It's more than divisive. Jesus said "I bring the sword" and he means for his church to stand before the gates of hell.

St Michael, the patron St. of soldiers has no problem with the sword.

Turn the other cheek doesn't imply - submit to Satan or deny christ.

The liberal protestants have twisted the truth by semantics and deny the divinity of Christ, his bodily resurrection and the Mysterium Tremendum of Christinaity as a whole.

52 posted on 01/06/2007 5:14:48 PM PST by x_plus_one (Allah has no son.)
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To: AmericanMade1776; LibreOuMort; AnAmericanMother
I have been assured by other Freepers, that you were not trying to insult my sister, I am sorry if I took it wrong.

AM1776, apology is accepted and issue is buried. My error (as I have been advised "backchannel", i.e. by my my wife and others) was in making a grammatical jest -- engineers and grammar can be dangerous combination. I am sorry.

Your post was funny -- I've heard an Anglican variation of it, though I don't recall the particulars. Maybe someone can post it here... (and ping me, please?).

If your sister has any questions about matters Episcopalian/Anglican, do aim her in my direction and I'll do what I can! I am no expert, but I learned quite a bit from my ping list predecessor Arlin Adams, RIP, and have many references.

53 posted on 01/06/2007 5:25:38 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Sorry . . . the orthodox Piskies and former Piskies are a bit touchy, having been attacked for years by the revisionists in every possible way -- personally, financially, religiously. It is the most cynical sort of character assassination in the name of religion that you can imagine. I'm just your average middle-aged churchgoing mom, who happens to believe in the Bible and the old tradition of the church, and my former rector called me backward and a homophobe and evil. Imagine that, and think how you would feel.

The revisionist bishops are now threatening to take away church property from people whose great-grandparents are buried in the cemetery, and defrocking priests for no reason other than that they refuse to agree that "the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing."

We got out in 2003 -- fortunately all our folks are buried in a family cemetery and not anywhere near our former church.

54 posted on 01/06/2007 5:31:18 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: sionnsar

I know all about engineers, I am married to one. My error was in not reading close enough and scanning over in a hurry.

You know how it is with family, it is alright to fight among yourselves, but let someone else come into the fray, and watch out.


55 posted on 01/06/2007 5:34:38 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: AnAmericanMother
We left ECUSA in 1997. After earning a BA in cultural Anthropology/ South Asia in the 1970's I realized how limited we all are in our world view regarding other religions and cultures. Specifically, that other religions and cultures are more willing to die for their cause than are most christians (save our troops).

Reading about the squalor and superstition of India, Pakistan and South Asia brought me to the realization that Christianity is an umbrella formed by millions of souls. The strength and effectiveness of that umbrella is due to the commitment of each soul - each link in the chain. Each soul either adds or subtracts from the efficacy of the body of christ.

Ministers and churchmen who deny the divinity, and the ressurection of christ are like poisoned water wells that pollute and destroy an entire community. Tolerance for those who harm to the christian community - even through ignorance - should be abandoned. period.

56 posted on 01/06/2007 5:36:26 PM PST by x_plus_one (Allah has no son.)
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To: x_plus_one
We're too soft - haven't been persecuted in a long time.

The scary thing is that the persecution is now coming from WITHIN.

57 posted on 01/06/2007 5:38:02 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I am sorry, I know that is disappointing to you. I have had some disappointments in Church leadership before.

I have to say, I just got wind of this problem within your church during the Holidays, and my sister was telling me about it, and we were also having some wine, and Christmas Treats, so I might of just missed a few details. However my sister did not seem too Bruised, but she did mention her church was now associated with a Church in Africa. Whatever that means.

Then it was brought to my attention again with the Gerald Ford service at the National Cathedral.

I hope you find the right church for you, I like tradition in Church too. Don't care too much for the fancy stuff.


58 posted on 01/06/2007 5:39:03 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: AmericanMade1776
That's very good news indeed. That means your sister's church has taken proactive steps and placed itself under the protection of one of the African bishops -- probably Archbishop Akinola of Nigeria. He is a "low church" man from the evangelical wing, but a good and faithful prelate.

We were "high church" - as my dad says, up in the rafters with the bats - so we swam the Tiber and are now Catholics.

It's amazing to me how little difference there is in theology between an Ultramontane Piskie and a Catholic. When we sat down with our current rector (who is everybody's idea of a Faithful Irish Priest with No Nonsense About Him), the only points of difference were the validity of Anglican Orders and the supremacy of the Pope. As my husband told Monsignor, "we can deal."

My 18 year old daughter still marvels occasionally at how little has changed.

59 posted on 01/06/2007 5:44:21 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

That is good to know, they seemed happy with the change. God Bless! Glad we got this all straightened out. Freepers are a feisty lot.


60 posted on 01/06/2007 5:48:20 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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