Challenge: Explain the Apostle's Creed (Vanity)

The Apostles creed may be used in Catholic Liturgies when a great number of children are present. Such as at First Holy Communion. It is also the creed learned by young children.

In the Orthodox Church (ROCOR) this the Apostle's Creed we say (we do it in Church Slavonic though):

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God; begotten, not made; being of one essence with the Father; by Whom all things were made;

Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from the Heavens, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man;

And was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried;

And arose again on the third day according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into the Heavens, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;

And shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end;

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life; Who proceedeth from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spake by the Prophets;

In One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the remission of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead,

And the life of the age to come. Amen.

As for an explaniation of it: I believe it is pretty self-explanitory. It means exactly what it says...no explaining needed. :)

First, the thread "Challenge: A Scriptural Portrait of Mary" was never established to attack any religion. It was intended to be exactly what it was titled.

Second, establishing this thread as retaliation to a different thread is disingenuous and misleading.

Third, while I appreciate your having the "thoughtfulness" to alert me to your attack, I am not interested in being dragged into your debate. I do not acknowledge the authority of any man-made creed, and see no point in debating its merits or faults.

Finally, Religion Moderator, considering the other thread was pulled, will you allow this retaliatory thread to exist, knowing full well that its thinly veiled intent?

thank you.

thinly veiled intent

Attributing motives and reading minds are instances of "making it personal." The guideline on the Religion Forum is this: discuss the issues all you want, but don't make it personal.

Thus the complaint made against your thread was against the RF guidelines, just as the complaint here. Neither are valid.

If you wish to try the other subject again on a new thread in the Religion Forum, that is fine with me. But should it (or this) turn toxic, it will be locked or pulled.

What attack?

I do not acknowledge the authority of any man-made creed, and see no point in debating its merits or faults.

So, the Apostle's Creed is now "man made"? Can you find ANY scriptural issues with it? To the best of my knowledge, it is used by ALL mainline Protestant denominations and I am not aware of any credible Protestant theologian ever questioning its validity.

Let's not forget that MEN wrote the books of the Bible, obviously they were inspired, but it is these same men (the Apostles) who first voiced the essense of this Creed.

International Consultation on English Texts translation
as printed in:
The Lutheran Book of Worship
The Book of Common Prayer (Episcopal)

English Language Liturgical Commission translation

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son],
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

26-1065	PART ONE - THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
26-184	SECTION ONE: "I BELIEVE" - "WE BELIEVE"
27-49	CHAPTER ONE: MAN'S CAPACITY FOR GOD
27-30	I. The Desire for God
31-35	II. Ways of Coming to Know God
36-38	III. The Knowledge of God According to the Church
39-43	IV. How Can We Speak about God?
44-49	IN BRIEF
50-141	CHAPTER TWO: GOD COMES TO MEET MAN
51-73	ARTICLE 1: THE REVELATION OF GOD
51-53	I. God Reveals His "Plan of Loving Goodness"
54-64	II. The Stages of Revelation
65-67	III. Christ Jesus - "Mediator and Fullness of All Revelation"
68-73	IN BRIEF
74-100	ARTICLE 2: THE TRANSMISSION OF DIVINE REVELATION
75-79	I. Apostolic Tradition
80-83	II. The Relationship between Tradition and Sacred Scripture
84-95	III. The Interpretation of the Heritage of Faith
96-100	IN BRIEF
101-141	ARTICLE 3: SACRED SCRIPTURE
101-104	I. Christ - The unique Word of Sacred Scripture
105-108	II. Inspiration and Truth of Sacred Scripture
109-119	III. The Holy Spirit, Interpreter of Scripture
120-130	IV. The Canon of Scripture
131-133	V. Sacred Scripture in the Life of the Church
134-141	IN BRIEF
142-184	CHAPTER THREE: MAN'S RESPONSE TO GOD
144-165	ARTICLE 1: I BELIEVE
144-149	I. The Obedience of Faith
150-152	II. "I Know Whom I Have Believed"
153-165	III. The Characteristics of Faith
166-184	ARTICLE 2: WE BELIEVE
168-169	I. "Lord, Look Upon the Faith of Your Church"
170-171	II. The Language of Faith
172-175	III. Only One Faith
176-184	IN BRIEF
	The Credo Chart
185-1065	SECTION TWO: THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
185-197	The Creeds
198-421	CHAPTER ONE: I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER
199-421	ARTICLE 1: "I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH"
199-231	Paragraph 1. I Believe in God
200-202	I. "I Believe in One God"
203-213	II. God Reveals His Name
214-221	III. God, "He Who Is," Is Truth and Love
222-227	IV. The Implications of Faith in One God
228-231	IN BRIEF
232-267	Paragraph 2. The Father
232-237	I. "In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
238-248	II. The Revelation of God as Trinity
249-256	III. The Holy Trinity in the Teaching of the Faith
257-260	IV. The Divine Works and the Trinitarian Missions
261-267	IN BRIEF
268-278	Paragraph 3. The Almighty
275-278	IN BRIEF
279-324	Paragraph 4. The Creator
282-289	I. Catechesis on Creation
290-292	II. Creation - Work of the Holy Trinity
293-294	III. "The World Was Created for the Glory of God"
295-301	IV. The Mystery of Creation
302-314	V. God Carries Out His Plan: Divine Providence
315-324	IN BRIEF
325-355	Paragraph 5. Heaven and Earth
328-336	I. The Angels
337-349	II. The Visible World
350-354	IN BRIEF
355-384	Paragraph 6. Man
356-361	I. "In the Image of God"
362-368	II. "Body and Soul but Truly One"
369-373	III. "Male and Female He Created Them"
374-379	IV. Man in Paradise
380-384	IN BRIEF
385-421	Paragraph 7. The Fall
386-390	I. Where Sin Abounded, Grace Abounded All the More
391-395	II. The Fall of the Angels
396-409	III. Original Sin
410-412	IV. "You Did Not Abandon Him to the Power of Death"
413-421	IN BRIEF
422-682	CHAPTER TWO: I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD
430-455	ARTICLE 2: "AND IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, OUR LORD"
430-435	I. Jesus
436-440	II. Christ
441-445	III. The Only Son of God
446-451	IV. Lord
452-455	IN BRIEF
456-570	ARTICLE 3: "HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WAS BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY"
456-483	Paragraph 1. The Son of God Became Man
456-460	I. Why Did the Word Become Flesh?
461-463	II. The Incarnation
464-469	III. True God and True Man
470-478	IV. How Is the Son of God Man?
479-483	IN BRIEF
484-512	Paragraph 2. "Conceived by the Power of the Holy Spirit and Born of the Virgin Mary"
484-486	I. Conceived by the Power of the Holy Spirit. . .
487-507	II. . . .Born of the Virgin Mary
508-511	IN BRIEF
512-570	Paragraph 3. "The Mysteries of Christ's Life"
514-521	I. Christ's Whole Life Is Mystery
522-534	II. The Mysteries of Jesus' Infancy and Hidden Life
535-560	III. The Mysteries of Jesus' Public Life
561-570	IN BRIEF
571-630	ARTICLE 4: "JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS PILATE, WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED, AND WAS BURIED"
574-594	Paragraph 1. Jesus and Israel
577-582	I. Jesus and the Law
583-586	II. Jesus and the Temple
587-591	III. Jesus and Israel's Faith in the One God and Savior
592-594	IN BRIEF
595-630	Paragraph 2. Jesus Died Crucified
595-598	I. The Trial of Jesus
599-605	II. Christ's Redemptive Death in God's Plan of Salvation
606-618	III. Christ Offered Himself to his Father for Our Sins
619-623	IN BRIEF
624-628	Paragraph 3. Jesus Christ Was Buried
629-630	IN BRIEF
631-658	ARTICLE 5: "HE DESCENDED INTO HELL ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN"
632-635	Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell
636-637	IN BRIEF
638-658	Paragraph 2. On the Third Day He Rose from the Dead
639-647	I. The Historical and Transcendent Event
648-650	II. The Resurrection - A Work of the Holy Trinity
651-655	III. The Meaning and Saving Significance of the Resurrection
656-658	IN BRIEF
659-667	ARTICLE 6: "HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER"
665-667	IN BRIEF
668-686	ARTICLE 7: "FROM THENCE HE WILL COME AGAIN TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD"
668-677	I. He Will Come Again in Glory
678-679	II. To Judge the Living and the Dead
680-686	IN BRIEF
687-1065	CHAPTER THREE: I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
687-747	ARTICLE 8: "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT"
689-690	I. The Joint Mission of the Son and the Spirit
691-701	II. The Names, Titles, and Symbols of the Holy Spirit
702-716	III. God's Spirit and Word in the Time of the Promises
717-730	IV. The Spirit of Christ in the Fullness of Time
731-741	V. The Spirit and the Church in the Last Days
742-747	IN BRIEF
748-975	ARTICLE 9: "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"
751-780	Paragraph 1. The Church in God's Plan
751-757	I. Names and Images of the Church
758-769	II. The Church's Origin, Foundation, and Mission
770-776	III. The Mystery of the Church
777-780	IN BRIEF
781-810	Paragraph 2. The Church - People of God, Body of Christ, Temple of the Holy Spirit
781-786	I. The Church - People of God
787-796	II. The Church - Body of Christ
797-801	III. The Church is the Temple of the Holy Spirit
802-810	IN BRIEF
811-870	Paragraph 3. The Church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic
813-822	I. The Church Is One
823-829	II. The Church Is Holy
830-856	III. The Church Is Catholic
857-865	IV. The Church Is Apostolic
866-870	IN BRIEF
871-945	Paragraph 4. Christ's Faithful - Hierarchy, Laity, Consecrated Life
874-896	I. The Hierarchical Constitution of the Church
897-913	II. The Lay Faithful
914-933	III. The Consecrated Life
934-945	IN BRIEF
946-962	Paragraph 5. The Communion of Saints
949-953	I. Communion in Spiritual Goods
954-959	II. The Communion of the Church of Heaven and Earth
960-962	IN BRIEF
963-975	Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church
964-970	I. Mary's Motherhood with Regard to the Church
971	II. Devotion to the Blessed Virgin
972	III. Mary - Eschatological Icon of the Church
973-975	IN BRIEF
976-987	ARTICLE 10: "I BELIEVE IN THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS"
977-980	I. One Baptism for the Forgiveness of Sins
981-983	II. The Power of the Keys
984-987	IN BRIEF
988-1019	ARTICLE 11: "I BELIEVE IN THE RESURRECTION OF THE BODY"
992-1004	I. Christ's Resurrection and Ours
1005-1014	II. Dying in Jesus Christ
1015-1019	IN BRIEF
1020-1065	ARTICLE 12: "I BELIEVE IN LIFE EVERLASTING"
1021-1022	I. The Particular Judgement
1023-1029	II. Heaven
1030-1032	III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory
1033-1037	IV. Hell
1038-1041	V. The Last Judgement
1042-1050	VI. The Hope of the New Heaven and the New Earth
1051-1060	IN BRIEF
1061-1065	"Amen"

Apostle's Creed bump!

But should it (or this) turn toxic, it will be locked or pulled.

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I didn't realize the other thread had been locked until I read some of the responses to this one. Oy.

I believe "descended into hell" is part of the Apostles' Creed, but not the Nicene Creed.

I was amazed at all the links on the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.

Challenge: Explain the Apostle's Creed (Vanity)

I Believe [Apostle's Creed]

Why the Creed Doesn't Mention the Eucharist

The Apostles' Creed in Public and Private Worship

More Than Our Father [The Creed]

Fr. Samuel Edwards' sermons on the Nicene Creed now available in PDF

The Nicene Creed in Greek and Latin

The Creed - latest revisions proposed by ICEL

I thought you all might find this site of interest: Creeds of Christendom. There's a link to it in my profile as well.

That looks like a very thorough listing.

That looks like a very thorough listing.

I think so too. Since we homeschool, I'm always joking with folks that my kids have them all memorized. Well, I think I'm joking. ;-)

Great list, thanks!

You accuse me of attack. I ask again, what attack?

Nothing quite like getting it straight from the horse's mouth ... the complier of that list is very much to be commended for simply letting each group speak for itself.

To the best of my knowledge, it is used by ALL mainline Protestant denominations

Perhaps so. But, in general, the non-Protestant chrrches, including Baptists (about 48 million), Pentecostals/Charismatics (about 7 million), and Churches of Christ (about 4 million), do not use any creeds.

If you pray the rosary or the Divine Mercy chaplet, you pray the Apostle's Creed. But, yes, during Mass we pray the Nicene Creed.