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To: vladimir998

The Roman position does treat Anglican churches as protestant sects, and you have represented this position faithfully. If you were to take a different position, you would not be a faithful Roman Catholic. However you may be interested to know that some of "differences" you point out vary among Anglicans, and that within Anglicanism you will find both "very Protestant" and "very Catholic" bishops.

It is important to mention first of all that the author's perspective does not represent all Anglicans, but only Anglo-Catholics. Within Anglicanism, which is a fairly big tent, there are a broad range of positions on the sacraments, bishops and scripture. Most Anglicans do include the Apocrypha as useful and instructive, if not a part of the strict canon. On the sacraments and the authority of bishops, many Anglicans (specifically Anglo-Catholics) hold a virtually identical view to that held by the Romans. Additionally, there are several areas of doctrine of the Roman Church that have become matters of Roman dogma (such as the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary) that are accepted by some Anglo-Catholics, and which the Anglican Catholic Church, for example, treats as "pious opinions", acceptable but not necessary within the faith.

All (orthodox) Anglicans agree (one must make exceptions for the Kate Schori's of the world) that the head of the Church is Jesus Christ. Most Anglicans understand the temporal heads of the Church to be the primatial bishops of each province.


15 posted on 12/31/2006 4:38:05 AM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber

You wrote:

"The Roman position does treat Anglican churches as protestant sects, and you have represented this position faithfully."

I am not Roman. I presented no Roman viewpoint either. I simply presented what is Catholic and showed what is not Catholic to be exactly that.

"If you were to take a different position, you would not be a faithful Roman Catholic."

I am not a faithful Roman Catholic. I am not a Roman Catholic at all. I am Catholic.

"However you may be interested to know that some of "differences" you point out vary among Anglicans, and that within Anglicanism you will find both "very Protestant" and "very Catholic" bishops."

No, in the Anglican sects there are only Anglican, that is Protestant, bishops. There may be some who have beliefs that are more in agreement with the truth than others, but they are all Anglicans and all are Protestants. That's just the way it is.

"It is important to mention first of all that the author's perspective does not represent all Anglicans, but only Anglo-Catholics."

Thanks for pointing out that they aren't Catholic, but a subset of Anglicans. That's the whole point. It's so much easier when you just fee up like that. Thanks.

"Within Anglicanism, which is a fairly big tent, there are a broad range of positions on the sacraments, bishops and scripture. Most Anglicans do include the Apocrypha as useful and instructive, if not a part of the strict canon."

Thanks for admitting I was right again.

"On the sacraments and the authority of bishops, many Anglicans (specifically Anglo-Catholics) hold a virtually identical view to that held by the Romans."

Who are these Romans exactly? Seriously, why do you say Romans? I have met several Catholic bishops. None of them were Romans. None of them were residents of Rome either. They were Catholic.

"Additionally, there are several areas of doctrine of the Roman Church that have become matters of Roman dogma (such as the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary) that are accepted by some Anglo-Catholics, and which the Anglican Catholic Church, for example, treats as "pious opinions", acceptable but not necessary within the faith."

All the more proof that they are just Protestants. Thanks again. This sect, the ACC, talks the talk (when it suits it), but then acts as it pleases -- just like any Protestant sect would.

"All (orthodox) Anglicans agree (one must make exceptions for the Kate Schori's of the world) that the head of the Church is Jesus Christ. Most Anglicans understand the temporal heads of the Church to be the primatial bishops of each province."

All...make exceptions...Most...understand...blah, blah, blah. Your very language is the language of equivication. If the head of the COE is Jesus then why is Elizabeth II said to be so in the laws of England -- the same England that created the Protestant Anglican sect nearly 500 years ago?


17 posted on 12/31/2006 5:01:38 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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