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To: cva66snipe
If you killed someone or took an extra newspaper at the vending machine without paying you are just as guilty of sin. The price is the same

How bout Jeffrey Dahmer and the person who took an extra newspaper? Price still the same?

231 posted on 01/02/2007 10:44:47 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Price is still the same and paid en full by the same Redeemer.

If it is possible for a murderer to go to hell after at some point in his life he had saving faith and was given a spirit life by God the Holy Spirit, then likewise there is no salvation for any human, including our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, becasue the basis for salvation of the believer is identical to that of Christ.(Rom 3:22-26) Sin has already been judged.

We are not judged either in heaven nor at the bema seat for sin. Our works are judged and the Book of Life is opened.

We will be tested and our works which do not survive the fire will be burnt up. God is not required to face any iniquity in heaven, and He also was omniscient in His decision to give His believers eternal life. (If it isn't eternal life, he would have called it a temporary lease on life,..he didn't,..He is very clear on the topic.)


232 posted on 01/02/2007 11:31:15 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
How bout Jeffrey Dahmer and the person who took an extra newspaper? Price still the same?

What about him? Just how mentally sick do you think someone who is a cannibal is anyway? Does a saved person who let's says has Tourettes go to hell. Hey they can let some curses fly. I knew a guy as a kid who could preach a sermon one second and out curse anyone the next. Dahmer was sick. Did Dahmer sin? Yes. Did Dahmer except Christ? I have no idea nor do you either. Did he pray for what he did on earth either in his on death or torment? Yes.

How about Aundrea Yates or the woman in Tennessee who shot her minister husband? People in this forum were biting at the bit wishing to welcome them to hell. So much for Love Thy Neighbor as Thy self breaking one of Christ biggest commandments. How about Father forgive them for they know not what they do in the cases of Yates, Dahmer, and the woman in Tennessee? It doesn't take a person with a degree in pyschriatritry looking at their pictures to see something bad wrong was happening to them.

But even the ones who we knew were evil such as Hitler and Saddam? How many even prayed for Saddams salvation? Did you? We are required to do so as Christians. That does not mean we do not still pay the price for sin while on earth.

Is there a sin more serious than murder? Oh yes indeed there is. It is calling another man an idiot {fool} actually. Think about it. Do you wish to be judged for each time you have called someone such. How about moments before you die? The minute you die in a wreck or drop over from a massive heart attack.

Asking forgiveness on a daily and sometimes several times a day basis is necessary to keep us in Fellowship with the Lord. Sin separates us from fellowship on this earth but not our eternal salvation. That is because salvation does not depend upon mans works or mans word or deed but rather the Word Of GOD. A Blood Covenant is not breakable in the Bible. A Blood Covenant depends not upon man but rather GOD's Word. How can anyone be saved? If we all sin even unto our deaths how can we then? Sin of any type separates us from GOD as GOD can not look upon sin of any kind because He is HOLY. One sin if the biggest or the least is not asked of forgiveness before we die we are condemned then we are doomed? Who can be saved? "Through GOD everything is possible." Sin by the saved keeps us from fellowship with the Lord. That is why we pray for forgiveness even after we are saved.

You are trying to put us back to being judged for following the law and obtaining salvation from such. Many churches wish to place those type of burdens back on the ones of whom Christ has set free.

My sins are many both before and after my salvation came. I am noticing though the longer I live the more free from the desire of sin I am gaining. Certainly not of my own doing as I am a sinner. It didn't happen overnight. It's taken 35 plus years to get there since that day. I found the sins of my youth were soon enjoyable. Conscience told me turn away from it. That as well did not happen overnight. Did not a very wise man once come to such conclusions? He tried nearly everything that could be tried. What did it bring him? Such as he paid for their sins on earth but live today in heaven. Why? By faith. GOD looked upon some pretty sinful persons Abraham, Jacob {The Father of the nation of Israel}, Lott, Noah, David, Solomon, Peter, Paul, and many other and because of their faith were made righteous before GOD. Their deeds would have sent them all to hell.

233 posted on 01/02/2007 11:59:48 AM PST by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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