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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sorry, but I just do not hold to the Traditions. If you can just find me something in the Scriptures that would indicate support for your assertions, but they just aren't there.

Yes, Mary is Blessed among all women! Having the intimate relationship to Jesus is indeed a blessing beyond my understanding. I am blessed simply having the children I have, but to be honored to raise the Son of God is awesome. But it doesn't mean that Mary is immaculate. It doesn't mean she is sinless. It doesn't mean she didn't have other children. It doesn't mean she is a intermediary for us. That is all stuff that is not seen in the Scriptures. And if it was true IT WOULD BE. It is too big of a story NOT TO BE.

Again, as Luke claims, the certain, secure, and firm truth is stated in his Gospel (thanks A8...). He painstakingly researched this. He was trying to combat traditions which might lead Theophilus astray, and trying to keep Theo on the right path. Mary is just not found to be such a perfected and angelic creature in his writings. Blessed and full of grace, yes. Honored beyond what any parent is, certainly. Sacred, as in set aside for Gods purpose, definitely.

And the traditions have led to many, and yes, not held as true by the RCC officially, but many do worship her, and see her as the source of salvation. The distinction between worship and veneration is simply not clear to many, and is not see at all by the Protestants. Either you pray to none but God, or you pray to any AS gods for their assistance.


99 posted on 12/22/2006 11:49:14 AM PST by Ottofire (O great God of highest heaven, Glorify Your Name through me)
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To: Ottofire
If you can just find me something in the Scriptures that would indicate support for your assertions, but they just aren't there.

Still in the bounds of that Protestant tradition of 'sola scriptura'.

-A8

100 posted on 12/22/2006 11:57:07 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Ottofire
Peace, Ottofire.

Christ promised He would "not leave us orphans" and that "the gates of hell" would not prevail against the Church. We were promised, and received, the Holy Spirit to explain to us the meaning and the tremendous implications of all these truths handed on to us by the Apostles.

So if the Christian Churches from Oslo to Carthage and from Iona to the banks of the Indus were wrong about all this for a little matter of 1500+ years, I'd have to look askance at those promises of His.

But He is faithful: come let us adore Him.

Great big blessings to you and all your loved ones!

104 posted on 12/22/2006 12:19:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Come let us adore Him., Christ the Lord.)
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