[AnalogReigns]

When the Roman Church bolted from the other 4 major Church provinces in the East, she ceased to have any argument to speak for the whole Church.

Yes, "the Church" authoritatively interprets scripture, but now that Rome and Constantinople destroyed her unity, followed much later by serious Christians' attempts at reform (whom Rome separated herself from as well) who exactly is the Church?

Please don't trot out the tired Peter's Church in Rome argument...as the Church spans all denominations, and is made up of those people who have Christ as Lord.

[NYer]

When the Roman Church bolted from the other 4 major Church provinces in the East, she ceased to have any argument to speak for the whole Church.

Bolted? I believe you have it backwards.

Yes, "the Church" authoritatively interprets scripture, but now that Rome and Constantinople destroyed her unity, followed much later by serious Christians' attempts at reform (whom Rome separated herself from as well) who exactly is the Church?

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth

[bornacatholic]

A denomination (take a new name) is not the Church established by Jesus in Matt 16:18,19.

You think it failed and became heretical. IOW, the promises of Jesus were unreliable. Of course, that makes Jesus Satan