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To: nanetteclaret; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; blue-duncan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; P-Marlowe

The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father.

The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.

Are you saying that Mary is the mother of the Father or of the Holy Spirit?


499 posted on 12/14/2006 5:55:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

So are you saying that you do not believe in the Holy Trinity -- three persons in ONE trinity?

Christ was begotten by the Holy Spirit as St. Luke tells us.

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502 posted on 12/14/2006 6:12:56 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: xzins
Are you saying that Mary is the mother of the Father or of the Holy Spirit?

No, that is not Catholic theology. But just because Mary is not the mother of "God the Father" or the mother of the "Holy Spirit", that does not mean that it is false that she is the "Mother of God". Here's the syllogism:

(1) Jesus Christ is God.
(2) Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ.

Therefore,

(3) Mary is the Mother of God.

To deny the conclusion, one must deny one of the two premises. To deny the first premise is to fall into Ebionism/Arianism, denying that Jesus was really God. To deny the second premise is to fall into Nestorianism or Docetism, either denying that Mary gave birth to the divine person or denying that the divine person was truly born.

-A8

504 posted on 12/14/2006 6:23:27 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: xzins; wagglebee; nanetteclaret

You claim to be a Trinitarian but you haven't the foggiest idea of what you are saying. There are THREE Persons in God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They have ONE nature: Divine. You cannot subdivide God's nature in the manner you wish or that you believe. If you pray to the Holy Spirit, for example, you pray to God--the Divine!

This explains the nature of the Creed of Nicea and those later which categorized Christian Trinitarian belief. Where did this come from? From Jesus, largely, in the Gospel of John in which He reveals this unfathomable secret to us. If it were not for Christ, we would not know these amazing facts.

The Trinity is the deepest Mystery of Christian Faith. You have doubtless heard the story of Saint Augustine pondering the Trinity and finding a child trying to empty the sea into a hole in the sand using a sea shell. The Bishop asked the child what he is doing and the boy tells him that he is emptying the sea into the hole. The saint responds that this is impossible. The child responds that he will empty the sea into the hole before Augustine ever comprehends the Trinity.

There is a nice book that deals largely with the Trinity called "Theology and Sanity" written by Frank Sheed (the real Sheed from whom I derive my name). You would be well advised to read it or one similar. You are very confused on this fundamental point of Christianity.

Jesus Christ is God. Of that I am sure beyond any doubt. And Mary was the mother of Jesus the Christ, the Logos, the Word....the mother of God.


506 posted on 12/14/2006 6:29:32 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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