Three Reasons the Church’s Enemies Hate The Immaculate Conception

TFP ^ | 12.08.06 | Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira

[DungeonMaster]

What does that have to do with the discussion as to whether or not the concept of sola scriptura is in the bible?

[G Larry]

Read post 538.

[xzins]

Would you say the following regarding Mary:

"Mary the Mother of the Godhead"

[jo kus]

what would be the purposes of Immaculate conception if no inherited sin?

What would be the purpose of God directing Moses to build a purified Ark of the Covenant?

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

And thus you condemn yourself...

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

So now you are a wolf...

Obviously, these verses do not give anyone the right to leave the Church. They tell us that some people are teaching falsely. That would be Protesters, hence the name.

The catholic church small c has known and followed the truth since Pentecost. The truth has never be alluded it has be twisted, it has been usurped by the wiil of ma. But no one who has a love for the truth will be denied it.

Yes, people such as yourself do just that. They make the Bible fit their own fantasical interpretations. That is why Catholics are taught to interpret the Scriptures with the mind of the Church - so that we don't fall into that trap of self-interpreting the Bible to make it say what we would like it to say.

As you no doubt know, people can twist the Scriptures to say what they want. Gays are now saying that Scripture does NOT condemn them! Others say that there is NOT a Trinity... Jesus was this or that. Without the Church to guide us, how are we to know what God has revealed, rather than what WE want it to reveal?

Honestly, I would like you to tell me - how do you know YOUR opinion is correct???

Regards

[G Larry]

If you're going to hang your hat on solo scriptura, it is only meaningful if there is but one interpretation.

[BibChr]

SO glad not to be chained to a sect.

[xzins]

No one seems to want to answer my "Mary the Mother of the Godhead" question.

Crickets.........

Hey, do you still have that Trinity diagram? If so, could you post it? It's the best I've ever seen. I've saved it to my hard-drive, but I don't have it on the internet for an "img src"

[trisham]

Catholic bump.

[BibChr]

As displayed in my Pyromaniacs post:

[Pyro7480]

No. If you read the Athanasian Creed, it is clear that there's one Godhead, and three Persons in that Godhead. It doesn't make sense to say "Mother of Godhead," and neither the Catholics nor the Orthodox have used such a term. She is the Mother of the Second Person, "our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man. God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the substance of His mother, born in the world. Perfect God: perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead: inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. And although He be God and Man; yet He is not two, but one Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance; but by unity of person."

[Pyro7480]

You spoke too soon. ;-)

[xzins]

If you go back to yesterday, you'll see that I asked the question (unanswered) at least 2 times. (Maybe 3) All I got was.....crickets.....(chirp, chirp,....)

In any case, you've answered the question.

Now, do you agree with the following question statement?

...Many people use the word "God" interchangeably for the word "Godhead?"

[ArrogantBustard]

From the writings of one John of Wallingford, and Englishman of the mid 1200s.

[ArrogantBustard]

Another 13th Century illustration:

[Pyro7480]

I think I know where you're going with this. I could be wrong with this, but it's quite possible that you've been told that Mary is not a "Mother" in the sense that she is the origin of the Godhead. The apostolic churches have never taught that. She is the Mother of the Second Person, who, as the Athanasian Creed states (and as I repeated in my last post), "although He be God and Man; yet He is not two, but one Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance; but by unity of person."

[Pyro7480]

So Bibchr's diagram is nothing new? That figures. ;-)

[ArrogantBustard]

I don't believe he actually claimed to have originated it, but I recalled seeing it in Catechism class, aeons ago. I thought it was ancient. I was right.

[BibChr]

Of course not. Everything I believe goes back 2000 years, minimum.

[Pyro7480]

I was just teasing. :)

[xzins]

I think you do agree with the statement: "Many people use the word God interchangeably for the word Godhead."

Did I understand you correctly?

If so, then you can see that it is more CLEAR to be precise when talking about whom Mary is the mother of. Mary is the mother of Jesus, the incarnate 2d person of the Godhead.

Do you consider this position to be heretical?